Quoting Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > [Platt] > > Quality is pre-intellectual experience is Zen. > > "That's a good dog" is Indian. The MOQ omits Indian > gods. > > > Platt, I do not disagree with you above except I > question the "The MOQ omits Indian gods" below.
You might want to check the following site which lists the top 10 Indian gods: http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/native_american-mythology.php None mentioned by Pirsig to my knowledge. > Also > Zen is intellectual, too, and what of a "good dog" is > so Amerindian, or is there more to this Amerindian > perspective that conditions the Amerindian to notice > "a good dog" as opposed to something else. The point was that Indians don't categorize things like we do. > I find a true test of ones knowledge is based on > experience. To do this in writing (for you and I are > only chatting via email) a helpful way for me to truly > understand how Zen and Amerindian fit with the MoQ is > not only pointing at what Pirsig says, but you say. > I'm not saying forever don't quote, for I have a quote > below from Lila. I'm saying I wouldn't mind at this > point to not only see your knowledge of MoQ, but your > experience, your own way of expressing what and how > Zen and Amerindian fits into the MoQ. I have expressed how I think Zen and American Indians fit into the MOQ. > By the way, how might "The MOQ omits Indian > gods" fit with this quote from Lila Ch. 9 as follows: > > "American Indians are exceptionally skilled at > holding to the ever-changing center of things. That is > the real reason they speak and act without > ornamentation. It violates their mystic unity. This > moving and acting and talking in accord with the Great > Spirit and almost nothing else has been the ancient > center of their lives. > Their term manito is often used interchangeably with > 'God' by whites who usually think all religion is > theistic and by Indians themselves who don't make a > big deal out of any verbal distinctions. But as David > Mandelbaum noted in his book The Plains Cree, 'The > term manito primarily referred to the Supreme Being > but also had many other usages. It was applied to > manifestations of skill, fortune, blessing, luck, to > any wondrous occurrence. It connoted any phenomenon > that transcended the run of everyday experience.' > In other words, 'Dynamic Quality.'" Christians also believe in a Supreme Being as do many other religions. The more fundamentalists among them make God the "center of their lives." It's puzzling to me how some here praise Indian fundamentalists but bash Christian fundamentalists. > I hope you understand I'm trying to ask with a true > curiosity that gets to the heart of Platt's > perspective, thanks. I've tried my best to present my "perspective." I don't think it always takes a lot of metaphors (also known as words) to get to the point. But, if you have further questions, please ask. I'll do my best to give you straight answers. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
