Hi David M. First of all thanks for your kind word about my "religion" piece. "Sophisticated" ...I hope so. I seem to remember that you spoke of clergies in the UK who has expressed doubt in "God". I still think this is a favorable development, our recent encounter with Islam has opened some eyes I hope. OK enough.
29 Jan. you wrote: > I have a question. If we see the 4th level as about the > emergence of the S/O divide, Yes, if ..... if Pirsig had made SOM of ZMM the intellectual level of the MOQ it would have been unassailable. As it is ... phew, most participants now shy away from the static levels - particularly intellect - and chat about DQ in a New-Age way. > how do we see the social > level? Is the social level about human common life This is correct enough, but sounds so innocent. All levels' primary purpose is to control its parent level, thus social morality is most clearly seen in the Semitic religions (must make this distinction as you know) commandments, laws, rules and regulation about everything from food and drink to dress codes and sex. All for the purpose of bringing biology under control. This is all well where the social level is highest good, but where intellect has arisen IT has started its own control of social values, and Pirsig says that all conflicts stem from the social/intellectual struggle - not least the Islam/West one. > before the S/O divide so that it is about religion and myth and social > authority Yes, but we must not make the social value all ancient and/or bad, it's still around as part of our make-up. Another thing, it's only from intellect that social value looks like evil, we are supposed to see things from the meta-level of the MOQ where the level context is revealed. > prior to the emergence of S/O divide dependent forms such as > individuals, intellectuals, etc? Right, but "individ" in the individualism sense (freedom from social constraints) ancient times surely knew the individual by name and social position. ) And "intellectuals" but not merely learned people and/or bureaucrats - ancient times had lots of such too - but scientists, academics etc. IMO Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
