----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Mystics and Brains
> Quoting David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi Platt >> >> >How does consciousness observe itself? > > DM: >> Here's one example. I decide to move my book from a to b, >> I observe this possibility becoming actual, and afterwards I can say: I >> did >> that. > > Who is doing the observing? (See below) > >> > Does your consciousness create the present, or is the present always >> > already >> > there? > >> DM: Another example, something flickers at my side, I turn to focus on >> it, >> yes, here is a bird. > > Who is the I that turns and focuses? (See below) > >> > Do organisms embody a consciousness that's present in the present? > >> DM: What is present is present, what is absent is absent. > > What is is. More people would be happy if they accepted that. "God grant > me > the serenity to accept the things I cannot change . . ." > >> DM: When an >> organism is alive it has enourmous potential, but not when it is dead. >> Is this potential present when an organism is alive, depends how you >> want to look at it and use your terminology. > > So do you define consciousness as "potential?" > >> > Does an organism's pre-conceptual consciousness include evaluation? > >> DM: I think yes, otherwise there is no awareness. Awareness=taking >> notice, >> or care. > > Yes. This is a key principle of the MOQ. > >> > Who is the "I" that knows it's own mind? > >> DM: How do we find this 'I' that we refer to. As children we struggle >> to understand and make sense of our experience. Adults order >> and explain our experiences for us, we probably believe everything >> we are told. We discover our bodies and the unique relationship >> we have to our own bodies, and then we discover a secret, that >> we have our own understanding and perspective, that we can know >> things that others do not. Hence the joy of hiding things for children. >> This secret should tell us something very important about truth, that >> we all have part of it and none of us all of it. The 'I' is the unique >> truth >> we all possess. > > A fine answer. To put it in my own words, "'I' is our soul, our unique > being." > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
