Case, Or your misunderstanding of Pirsig. See I can be condescending too!
Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Case Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) It seems that the problem is not so much with other misunderstanding your position as with you misunderstanding your own position. So you think I am a mystic? Cool, one more for the bumper. Case -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micah Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) Case, Could you be further off from my point? You have tried to brand me a solipsist many times, I get it. I must not be able to convey my point, because you seem to miss half of it. Shouldn't a mystic like yourself just stick to rubbing your TITS, and ignore me instead of mischaracterizing my position? Or Kant you do that? Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Case Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) Micah, The key point that you have thus far steadfastly refused to acknowledge is that in following the line of thinking you suggest, you have no business talking about what other humans or Man in the plural experiences. You are advocating some weird brand of solipsism. This is cool because there really is no logic that can be brought to bear on it. It is however almost universally thought to be a silly thing to think. Case -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Micah Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) Platt, So now let me understand, you say "it is true that the inference of of independent existence cannot be demonstrated", so you agree that nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans? Meaning the statement is fact regardless of your faith? Isn't that objectivity? On what day, of your everyday experience, have you experienced reality to exist independent of humans? Everyday I wake up, my right ankle hurts for an instant, I believe it is a angel pinching me for good luck - should I doubt that philosophically, after all it's what I believe and you have stated I shouldn't doubt my beliefs. You have too much clutter, and that clutter is your faith. And you won't let go...so there you are. Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Platt Holden Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?) Quoting Micah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "Nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans" is an objective > statement. It is fact. Not an objective fact, only a logical truism. It is true that the inference of of independent existence cannot be demonstrated. But we justify such belief pragmatically: we act and survive in the world by assuming it. We should not doubt in philosophy what we believe from everyday experience to be the case. Platt moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
