Hi Heather, SA On 8 Feb. you wrote:
In response to this from me: > > That's what the MOQ also does: whatever it is the directed at > > all SOM paradoxex (platypus) dissolves ....by the SOL interpretation > > that is, the way orthodox MOQ solves (for instance) the mind/matter > > enigma is lame. > Please elaborate. I don't understand what you > just said here above. This discussion began when LILA was just out, and I have the impression that every possible and impossible angle have been explored so I mistakenly believe that the present participants know all these previous threads and write accordingly, hence my uncalled for "kindergarten" remark. > I apologize for the sarcastic remarks since it > seemed to block our discussion. I would like to hear > about this meta-level that you keep saying you would > rather talk about. So, please, talk. No ill feelings, however I'm unsure of where to start. As you understand my "obsession" is the 4th level which IMO got a wrong start and that this has undone the MOQ. Pirsig obviously saw this after some urging (the letter from Paul Turner and his reply in 2003) but seems unable to go to the root of the problem, instead tried to patch it up with a new "symbol manipulating" definition and some cryptic statements about an oriental - non- S/O - intellectual level, none helping much. So the situation in 2007 is the same as in 1997; nobody knows how the said level is to be understood. It goes from "consciousness" or "mind" to the said "manipulation of symbols". My so called "SOLAQI" (SOL for short) interpretation says that the intellectual level is the former S/O metaphysics. The Quality idea began as an intellectual pattern, but the moment it organized itself along the dynamic/static slash it left its S/O-home, and after the static level arrangement the old SOM became its own top level and itself the meta-system (meta-level) that contains it all. This kind of re-shuffling is no mystery, all grand theories are "out of the former" and afterwards the former becomes the top sub- system of the new theory. Einstein's Physics (relativity) is out of Newtons Physics, but has NP as its own "best" sub-set. In fact NP is sufficient for all normal computations, only when it comes to the extreme (inside the sun, speeds approaching that of light) relativity must be applied. This is in fact a good metaphor for the MOQ-S/O-intellect relationship. For all normal day-to-day purposes we apply S/O- intellect and speak about subject and object, mind and matter, mental and material ...etc, to our herat's delight, only when it comes to the "extremes" - i.e: the ultimate metaphysical questions - the MOQ must be applied. Therefore it's not useful (as Pirsig suggests) to create Quality varieties of physics and other sciences, these are intellectual patterns and works best - can only work - as such. Any wiser? Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
