Hi Marsha 11 Feb. you said
> I'm not seeing the problem. Intellect is evolving. Intellect can > experience subjects and object, and evolve to experiencing overlapping > patterns of value that are in a constant state of change. What kind of intellect is it you visualize? That the ancient mythological reality was "ancient intellect", then this content being pressed downwards by new ideas from the top and finally becoming a SOM-dominated intellect and this being overlaid by a Quality content. If that is a correct interpretation everything is intellect and it has lost all meaning. It is a mental container exactly as SOM's mind. > Maybe the simplest thing would be to expand the definition of > intellect to something far more dynamic. But remember, intellect > defining intellect is always going to wrong. Yes wrong. How could it > be otherwise? Yes why not complete the Quality butchering of making a static level into DQ itself? But about intellect defining intellect I agree with you, it's not only wrong but plain impossible (ref. your "mountain view") It's the MOQ that defines intellect, and it defines it as a STATIC level (write that ten times on the blackboard ;-) > You want S/O thinking to be one level, and the MOQ to be another > higher level. That is how it has worked out for you. Great! I > don't get it. I don't see the problem. If I work the MOQ through my > own experience, maybe something else will work better for me (and > those like me). _I don't like my theories too rigid._ Only if RMP > decided an adjustment would be helpful, would it make sense. It's his > baby. The MOQ is too big to remain Pirsig's property, it's the greatest philosophical breakthrough since Socrates-Plato-Aristotle instigated SOM. Pirsig now establishing the next metaphysical "level" Perhaps better to say he COULD have because his intellectual hang-up i.e: refusing to leave SOM hinders the MOQ in achieving its full potential. > Well Bo, what is wrong with an improved intellect? As said a million times before. No level can be improved seen from its own perspective and that goes for intellect. An amoeba is BETTER biology than a mammal organism. its only from the overall Q-evolution perspective the latter is good because it became the biological stepping stone to society. At the social level the clan and tribe are more stable social pattern than the Greek City State, but the latter became the social stepping stone to intellect. To pursue this further, the first simple Socratic objective TRUTH vs subjective OPINION is a more stable intellectual pattern than the later more complex ones, but these were/are better because they became the intellectual stepping stones to the final MOQ "level". IMO Bo moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
