[Platt]
If we accept what you, Davies and others say is the end game of intellect, a cul
de sac so to speak from which it cannot escape, then could we gain relief by
accepting Bo's idea that the MOQ offers 1) a way to stand above the
intellectual level, and, as Ian intimates, 2) a way to be at ease with the 
irrational without losing meaning?

[Arlo]
Perhaps. I'll let Bo and Ian argue that one out.

[Platt]
In other words, I wonder if we can  claim that the MOQ is a bridge over
intellect's ultimate paradoxes, recursions and strange loops.

[Arlo]
I'm not sure the MOQ "overcomes" paradox and loops, and neither does Hofstadter.
My take is in their acceptance of this as an unavoidable core to any
intellection. My take on koans, for example, is that they point TO this paradox
as a way of moving the individual into acceptance of this rather than a
delusion that it can be overcome.


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