Ron,

There's no need to apologize. The rhetorical malaise that Pirsig created, though, summed up in his section on philosophology, is one that makes it easy not just to lampoon academia, but throw it out entirely. I think a lot of it is misguided. I certainly was aggressive in the paper, and in my response to you, but that is due in part as a response to the aggressiveness Pirsig, if not displays himself, at least inspires in some of his readers, some of my interlocuters.

When you say that you "see nothing wrong or inherently bad about academic work, although I do feel it incomplete," I can wholeheartedly agree in this sense: no activity, except for the broad activity known as "living life," is complete, and anybody who says otherwise certainly deserves a little ridicule. The sense I get from Pirsig and others is that they are reading a little too much into academia themselves, that something inherent in academia makes them think that this is it, this is all we need. Maybe it was Aristotle's suggestion that the best life was the life of contemplation. It makes sense to make fun of Aristotle for saying that, but it doesn't make sense to make fun of people who simply enjoy contemplating--which they do alongside everything else in their life, though it may go unnoticed if all you had access to was their written contemplations. I think Pirsig, as I said, may go a little overboard.

You said this:
I taught graphic arts for a few years and saw first hand what pirsig was speaking of. Perhaps that is why I do not percieve it as an attack.I saw pirsig wanting acadamia to lean more On the tech school level, which I totally aree with, why keep cranking out people with degree's Who do not have the practical skills to get a job and perform well in their field?

Matt:
This I don't really see much in Pirsig. That's a very specific rendition of what Pirsig is saying. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree (though it might, depending on emphasis, underappreciate what a good liberal arts education means for an educated, voting populace), but I'm not sure Pirsig was suggesting that we need colleges to focus more on practical skills. I don't know, I'd have to see some passages that would support that. If there were, it might help shift the meaning of sections like the philosophology one. The only thing I can think of is when he talks about the kid who drops out of college, in ZMM, but then returns when he finds that there is something he wants from college. But I'm not sure that does the kind of support you'd need.

About the apples and pineapples: this type of comment always gets under my skin (usually causing me to lash out at people who don't necessarily deserve it) because it makes me wonder what I've said to require that to be said to me. After all, didn't we all learn in kindergarten that we are all unique snowflakes? The truth of that mushy-mushy saying is that, yes, indeed we are all in our way utterly unique and dissimilar from any other human being who has every existed (physiologically, no less culturally in these latter stages of evolution for homo erectus)--but at the same time, tremendously similar. I take Pirsig to be overreacting to others when he suggests, facetiously, that he can't be compared to anybody else. He does suggest it, and it is pretty silly on its face.

What I think he's reacting to is in part, as he suggests in Lila, the tendency in Philosophy Departments to teach the history of philosophy. I have arguments in the paper for why this is (and would more or less need to be) done, but Pirsig seems to think, wrongly, that that's all philosophy professors do--and, that it's not useful. As DMB suggested, he could give a damn what music critics think (ah, but Lester Bangs was brilliant).

My standard reply is this: the only way to back up a claim of Pirsig's uniqueness is to do the thing reviled, to read the history of philosophy. We acknowledge that each of us has our own peculiar taste: why repeat it unless somebody was denying it? But to actually figure out what that taste is, you need to be able to differentiate that taste from other tastes. In my view, reading the history of philosophy, the thing some Pirsigians think is superfluous, not only is a requirement for moving from a hip-shot opinion to a justified opinion about _how_ unique a taste is, but it in fact makes Pirsig taste _more_ unique--it _enhances_ the taste. The rhetoric that Pirsig created suggests that knowing about history _diminishes_ your ability to appreciate tastes, but, I would argue, it is in fact the opposite--having tasted more, you are then able to know better what you are tasting, and have a better grasp on why you like certain tastes better than others.

The question then becomes: why would Pirsig get it backwards? My answer for some time has been that Pirsig, as it has been with many of the strongest writers and poets, is desperate--more than most regular people--to acheive brilliance and uniqueness. Borrowing from Harold Bloom, he suffers from the "anxiety of influence." Pirsig fears, as all poets do, that they will be judged harshly by history and will fail, not be originally strong as they so greatly desire. And so they preemptively lash out at history. I said this some time ago:
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Kant said that you can't learn philosophy, you can only learn how to philosophize. Philosophy is an activity. Pirsig brings that out well when he says in the introduction to Lila's Child that philosophy is like chess and "real chess is the game you play with your neighbor." Some of those neighbors we play against, of course, are those who are no longer alive, those great masters of the tradition. We cut our teeth on their books, we engage them to learn how to philosophize, we engage them to steal their wisdom. Baggini's interview brings out strongly Pirsig's desire to not engage with those of the past, but it also shows him not really engaging with those of the present, like Baggini. Pirsig's sometimes refusal to enter the "Western conversation" isn't really to be explained by some specious contrast between Pirsig's Dynamism and the Western tradition's staticness, between philosophy and philosophology. I think it's to be explained by Pirsig's incarnation of rugged, American hyperindividualism, which toes along the fear of being influenced.

Pirsig's desire to ignore other philosophers, other chess partners, is tied into the anxiety of influence, Pirsig's unwillingness to see himself in anybody else's eyes. But unlike strong poets like Socrates, Nietzsche, and Hegel, Pirsig's tactic sometimes seems more like closing his eyes then staring down his predecessors and saying with Nietzsche, "Thus I willed it." Pirsig does indeed want to be original and, like Nietzsche, not owe it to anybody, but without engaging in the conversation, how are we to know if it is indeed wisdom? Wisdom arises through the conversation, not outside of it.
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I think this anxiety is inevitable for the strongest of creators, but it creates in them a blindness (a blindness that is needed, Bloom argues, for the creation). While Pirsig may have needed to blind himself to create ZMM and Lila, we do not in fact need to be blind to appreciate them. And the only reason I attend to Pirsig's blindness more harshly than, say, Wallace Stevens' is because Pirsig was writing philosophy, and that blindness produced philosophical side-effects, side-effects that I wish to expunge from the great stuff that the blindness in fact helped create.

I don't want to diminish Pirsig. My intent is, in fact, the opposite. But I hear from many that all I go on about is useless and pointless to what Pirsig was all about. I'm not so sure, and I tend to lash back. In fact, I'm pretty sure that what I go on about is part of the inquiry into "what Pirsig was all about."

Matt

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