On 03 March 2007 5:43 AM Jos writes to Mati, Hi Jos and Mati,
[Jos:] Not convinced. Wherever there is an organising static pattern that is not itself of biological matter but defines the arrangement of plants, animals, machines etc (anything but humans), it defies the definitions of the levels set down by Pirsig. Clearly the pattern does not "contain DNA" but clearly it lies on top of the purely biological layer of values. Is it social? Not according to Pirsig. I liked a description I heard recently (sorry can't remember who it was, Bo?) where evolution to next levels was best explained by emergence of perpendicular axes rather than increasing complexity. Using this model, we should in my view re-define the levels entirely according to fundamental existential shifts, rather than the rather arbitrary assignation of entities to levels according to their containing particular molecules or their being of species of particular genus in the eyes of our own intellects. [Joe] On Thurs 22 February 2007 I responded to Marshav's question Re the MOQ and its environment. [Joe] "In trying to observe a starting point for evolution I am struck with a question How many levels are there? What am I judged on? In my search through esoteric literature I find a law of seven modeled on the musical octave. Two intervals Mi-Fa, and Si-Do are asynchronous with the other intervals. From my experience with singing, I realize an extra effort in attention has to occur at those intervals to prevent wandering off into a different octave. I accept a law of seven as an analogue for evolution, morality, and consciousness." [Joe] In proposing this I realize I am confronting Ham and Micah's description that there can be no division of existence since awareness is prior to reality. I would suggest that Essence is also hierarchical and evolution is a true description in metaphysics. I am incapable of experiencing an absolute. Joe Joe moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
