Hi Joe Much though I love to disagree with said pair, I feel the starting point that "awareness" comes before reality the best one available. My disagreement comes down to who's awareness we're talking about. I like to refine what is meant by "awareness" such that it becomes a universal analogy applied to any type of "experience" including the interractions of inorganic compounds or objects. Now I can say everything is "aware" at least to a limited extent right throughout the static levels. Using MOQ speak I would say that DQ is awareness, and SQ is like static memories of pattrens in this groundstuff whose relative complexity/derivative order can describe their position in a heirarchy. >From this perspective awareness absolutely comes before reality, as >"awareness" is the same as the the essentialists essence and the static >patterns are equivolent to the "reality" that forms in the 1st split from >essence into existence/non existence. With awareness being proprietry to the objects themselves I am allowing them to self actualise rather than waiting for the human to come along and mercifully build them into his/her solipsist nightmare/fantasy. Generally folks like to imply that I'm confering agency upon objects and animals along with this awareness which I'm not, (necessarily). The opposing view seems to be that restrictively "man's" awareness actualises reality out of essence but I wont attempt to sum up how this is expected to work as I know I wont do it justice.
Jos > > > [Joe] > > In proposing this I realize I am confronting Ham and Micah's > description > that there can be no division of existence since awareness is > prior to > reality. I would suggest that Essence is also hierarchical > and evolution is > a true description in metaphysics. I am incapable of experiencing an > absolute. > > Joe > > Joe > > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. > On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by > the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service > supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with > MessageLabs. > In case of problems, please call your organisational IT Helpdesk. > The MessageLabs Anti Virus Service is the first managed > service to achieve the CSIA Claims Tested Mark (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007), the UK Government quality > mark initiative for information security products and > services. For more information about this please visit www.cctmark.gov.uk This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by the Department For Constitutional Affairs. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents. This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (and any attachment) is intended only for the attention of the addressee(s). Its unauthorised use, disclosure, storage or copying is not permitted. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all copies and inform the sender by return e-mail. This e-mail (whether you are the sender or the recipient) may be monitored, recorded and retained by the Department For Constitutional Affairs. E-mail monitoring / blocking software may be used, and e-mail content may be read at any time. You have a responsibility to ensure laws are not broken when composing or forwarding e-mails and their contents. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSI this email was certified virus free. The MessageLabs Anti Virus Service is the first managed service to achieve the CSIA Claims Tested Mark (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007), the UK Government quality mark initiative for information security products and services. For more information about this please visit www.cctmark.gov.uk moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
