Ron -- > Ham, > Bells are beginning to ring > Fancy this: > Lets negate Micahs statement > "Objective reality can not be proven to exist out side human awareness." > with > Human awareness can not be proven to exist outside of objective reality. > > Curious, what value would you arrive at?
When you've had an epiphany you don't look for "proofs", you look for reasons. You've arrived at the conclusion that existence is illusional, as far as Oneness is concerned. But existence is the world we live in. Illusional as it may be, it's our reality. You have also identified the primary constiuents of your existence: Awareness and Objective reality. Now, unless that reality (existence) excludes YOU (your awareness), its duality is best defined as Subjective Awareness and Objective Otherness, or simply Awareness/Otherness. One cannot exist without the other. So existence is a mutually exclusive but do-dependent duality which is technically a "dichotomy". Your next step is to ask: How does a dichotomy come from Oneness? Something has to be the cause of "difference", and it has to be the absolute source (Essence). Now, I have been admonished for using Essence instead of Pirsig's DQ "if there are the same", but since I'm not at all persuaded that they are the same, I'll call it the Source (as a name) or Oneness (as a description). The Source is absolute "IS-ness"; nothing lies outside of it; indeed, the Source has no "outside" and no differentiation "inside". But the Source is also absolute Potentiality -- the power to actualize the appearance of otherness. My theory is that the Source is "negational", that inasmuch as it is the fullness of all that is, it actualizes by negating itself. This analogous to the mountain climber who has ascended to the peak and can only proceed by descending the mountain. I also theorize that whatever the Source negates must also be absolute. Because Nothingness is the antithesis of absoute IS-ness, it is Nothingness that is negated. This separates Awareness from the Source to create the dichotomy of existence. I'll have more later, if you're interested. Meanwhile enjoy the ringing bells! -- Ham moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
