Quoting Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Case] > Well you called it right from my end. First the moral order business. If you > elect to call magnetism and gravity moral laws at the inorganic level I > think it is a bit silly but previously was willing to say, no harm done. > After all calling them such has the potential to inject a bit if rigor into > thinking about social morality which is what I thought Pirsig was up to. > Unfortunately all this does is introduce slop into the inorganic level.
Actually the inorganic level is fairly sloppy as it is with many interpretations of quantum weirdness being bandied about. > The same holds with "betterness" it only makes a hint of sense when you > define in such a way as to render the term meaningless. Better is a relative > term that only makes sense with respect to the person stating that this is > better than that. There is not "betterness" out there in the future > directing us this way or that way; waving to us and beckoning us forward. I love they way you make such definitive statements about "what's out there in the future," as if you know. Of course, I assume you consider your belief about there being no future betterness waving to us is a better belief than its opposite. > Betterness is in fact a wholly subjective term. You could I suppose claim > that it is "better" to live than to die and therefore that which supports > life is "better" that that which does not. Survival for species and cultures > could then be regarded as the highest "Good". I kind of like that one but it > does point to some kind of ultimate specialization with a master species > whose survival is the highest "betterness." But the question is always > begged, better for who? Better than what? You belie your objection to betterness by the very beliefs you express which I presume you consider much, much better than the alternatives since you express them with such certainty. Anyway, even my cat, like a bacterium, knows when "It's better here than there." And for all we know, so does and electron. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
