Thanks for the Dictionary lesson, Kevin. Its good to be reminded of the SOM understandings of "experience" now and again. For me, the MOQ broadens our understanding of the world away from the Subject/Object divide into an integrated way of understanding, one that begins with value/experience (Quality) and demonstrates how this fundamental event (the "Quality event" as he calls it in ZMM) is as responsible for tiny inorganic patterns responding to gravity, as it is for an amoeba to move away from acid, as it is for society to pass a law against murder, as it is for Quantum Physics to have displaced Newtonian Physics.
You ask if we should add a "new definition", is that not what the MOQ is all about? New understandings? New definitions? Indeed, isn't that itself the fundamental principle OF the MOQ? Discard the old when something better comes along? The levels of the MOQ give us broad understanding of how "experience", Quality, value, differs, and how new levels are not only a small improvement in "experience" over the previous, but a huge leap to something entirely new. The collectivization of atoms into cells and cells into bodies and bodies into societies and thoughts into intellectual patterns represent dependent but emergent levels of experience. An inorganic pattern can never experience biological quality, but put enough together in more and more complex ways and eventually you will have a higher-level pattern that sits atop the inorganic patterns, but is not just the sum of the inorganic patterns, that does experience quality in a whole new way. In this way, the biological level overcomes the inorganic-limitations of experience of the patterns from which it emerges. In the same way the social level overcomes the biological-inorganic limitations of experience of the patterns from which it emerges. Humans, you and I, experience intellectual, social, biological and inorganic quality. We have complex symbol systems (derived from social-intellectual experience) allowing us to move out of the fray of direct experience and reflect and plan (post- and pre- experience). A rock can do none of this. But if we are serious about "Quality" being the fundamental source, then it makes no sense to try to deny the Quality experience to inorganic patterns, for Quality is every bit as responsible for that rock experiencing gravity and falling as it is for you experiencing the pleasure of your favorite song. "This low quality is not just a vague, wooly-headed, crypto-religious, metaphysical abstraction. It is an experience. It is not a judgment about an experience. It is not a description of experience. The value itself is an experience." (LILA) moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
