> [Platt] > The electron in the rock experiences, but not the rock which you have > claimed. If you had said that electrons experience gravity I would have > agreed. > > [Arlo] > I'm not sure what the difference is in saying that all the particles of the > rock experience gravity, and the rock experiences gravity. This would be > like saying the human body does not experience gravity, but all of its > cells do.
Cells, being biological organisms experience gravity as does the biological organism called the human body (by which I presume you mean a living rather than a dead body which experiences nothing, being like dust). > [Platt] > Since "all of nature" consists of particles, atoms, and molecules which > experience as demonstrated by their presence in organisms, I don't see your > problem. > > [Arlo] > Fair enough. I thought your point was that only particles that are actively > part of a human brain experience. I was wrong, and it appears we are closer > in agreement that I had thought. :-) I think we basically agree. But I draw the line at inert inorganic conglomerates like mountains, rocks, and rills as capable of experience. > [Platt] > I certainly see intent towards higher Quality, greater morality. If not, > what's the hierarchy all about? > > [Arlo] > This, basically. 100 million years ago, was there a design to create man? > 100 billion years ago? Where? And if there was no pre-design, then I can't > see how anything better than "AHA! That's better!" explains man's > existence. A plan whereby all the details were worked out in advance, no. The intent to create harmony, beauty, excellence, perfection, value, quality, morality, yes. > [Platt] > You said it, "That's better." And you called it an "advance." The > implication that DQ is force for good is clear, "the ongoing free force of > life." > > [Arlo] > Sure. I just don't think the "advance" was "planned". The world got by for > hundreds of millions of years without "man". Our being here is no more > special than platypi being here. We have better skills, sure, but the fact > that we exist is no more intended than the existence of the platypus. Better skills includes a wider, fuller, deeper consciousness and appreciation of harmony, beauty, excellence, perfection, value, quality, morality. Whether intended or not, I'd rather think its better to be human than a platypus. Platt moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
