[Case] Not being a Trinitarian I am not sure how much help I can be. In fact it seems to me you are really pushing it since this looks a lot more like: 1+1+1=5.
[Ron] More like 1+1+1=1,(.45+.45+.45=1.35) my emphisis lies in the averaging. the value for absolute. That pirsig is right, the trinity is right, the tao te ching is right. Value my friend, right Here in river city. Beginning and end, zero, and any absolute is a contruct for understanding An illusionary tool. 1+1 is allways going on . 1+1 can equal 3. 1+1 can equal 2. 1+1 can equal 1. Three outcomes depending on the value of 1 . "one" is not absolute. it is the value of one that can never be known The dynamic value. That's what is so interesting about fractile geometry It randomly flipflops the rounding error creating interesting nature-like Mathmatical constructs when compounded geometricly, thus it seems infinately Large and infinately small with great detail limited only by the decimal Place allowed for rounding. The same thing goes for language you assume an absolute definition So that communication is understandable but in reality terms mean different Things to different people. The "value" of the term must be established Before communication can be more accurate especially when involved In abstract thought when the variation in the value of a term can Compound instantly. -Ron -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Case Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 3:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] the illusion of zero Ron, Not being a Trinitarian I am not sure how much help I can be. In fact it seems to me you are really pushing it since this looks a lot more like: 1+1+1=5. This does however call to mind Whitehead's conception of the Primordial and Consequent natures of God. Whitehead is the one who said, "All philosophy is footnotes to Plato." So it is likely that his Primordial Nature of God is more or less equivalent to the Platonic forms. Whitehead's own "footnote" regarding the Consequent Nature of God has to do with the completion of God's nature through the process of time. In theological circle Whitehead's views have been expanded into Process Theology. As for your conundrum over Zero I highly recommend Charles Seife's "Zero: The Biography of a Dangerous Idea". He describes how the Greek rejected the idea and why. He also talks about the historic tension between Zero and Infinity and how the two have duked it out in the squared circle of history. Case -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Kulp Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 1:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MD] the illusion of zero I applied the 2+2=5 thinking to the trinity , Father, Son, Holy ghost . Holy ghost is the value between creator and created, Father and son. therefore oneness in God lies in the relationship between creator and created God is not absolute but the value of God and us is. therefore the "holy ghost" is truly eternal and everlasting because it is not absolute but everchanging a "living word"...a "value". coincedentally this concept arose with the greeks about the same time as the trinity idea emerged Pirsig hit this same trinity and quality was the result....quality is the value between subject and object thought and matter. by trying to find a beginning you are getting lost in the invention of zero. an arbitrary anchorpoint for math and reality to exist, there is no beginning so we invented one. the illusion of zero, nothing makes sense without it I feel this is the bugger thats nagging SOM. The entire edifice of western thought rests on the concept of a zero sum which does not exist. yet we apply it to our science of the natural phenomenal world and wonder why paradox emerges. ...just thinking out loud -Ron moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
