[Jos]
Sound, Heat, Light, Electricity, Movement, Magnetism, Potential etc etc,
there are an endless range of expressions of energy, but they are all
contained within this one umbrella term. Question is, does the term have
any meaning as a comodity in its own right or is it just a convenient
grouping label for a set of diverse phenomena?
[ron]
The best I can do, as Pirsig did, is to describe a broad general idea
with the best term available.
I feel quality as well as energy are not comodities in their own right
for they are undefineable.
The same way one would refer to apples there are several diverse forms
this term refers too which
alsofall into a umbrella term also.
[Jos]
I like 3 best, and I reakon it comes back to quantum effects, where DQ
is unobserved energy (wave form), and observable SQEnergies are the
simplest forms of inorganic static patterns. DQ is there all along but
when you look, the experience creates "sound", "light" etc. Neatly
answers silly debates about trees falling in lonely forrests too.
What are your thoughts?
{ron]
I think you summed it up pretty well only I would deem the wave collapse
to gravitational proximity
Rather than perception, still dynamic but static enough to be percieved.
sure perception then enters
the picture but after the collpse due to mass.
I believe this due to the observation that gravity slows and bends
light. Therefore
Logicaly There must be an input to percieve first then the
interpretation of that input which is
Subject To the abitilities of the organ sensing it and the
interpretation of the brain and conscious
perception.
In this way it all works...for me anyhoo
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Hi Ron
No real idea, but a few thoughts:
A while ago I started to waver on the whole MOQ business and couldn't
get the idea out of my head that you could just replace "qualities" with
"any one of a range of subjectively desirable attributes". I suspected
that this quality was just an umbrella term, and had no meaning as a
comodity in it-self. I rejected(/ignored) this approach (although
without any great conviction) and "energy" can be viewed in a similar
way.
Sound, Heat, Light, Electricity, Movement, Magnetism, Potential etc etc,
there are an endless range of expressions of energy, but they are all
contained within this one umbrella term. Question is, does the term have
any meaning as a comodity in its own right or is it just a convenient
grouping label for a set of diverse phenomena?
My approach is to go back to energy/entropy equations, and reverse
engineer in sematic terms.
If you lump everything except DeltaG (free energy change) on the RHS(and
assume its value to be -ve) the LHS (fleshed out a bit) says:
"any one of a range of emited phenomena observable following a reaction
that is spontaneous under a given set of conditions"
3 choices seem available in the MOQ framework:
Either energy is directly approximate to DQ Each form of energy is a
distinct static pattern.
A mucky mixture
I like 3 best, and I reakon it comes back to quantum effects, where DQ
is unobserved energy (wave form), and observable SQEnergies are the
simplest forms of inorganic static patterns. DQ is there all along but
when you look, the experience creates "sound", "light" etc. Neatly
answers silly debates about trees falling in lonely forrests too.
What are your thoughts?
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> Sent: 27 March 2007 15:31
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> Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness
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>
> Jos,
> This has all got me to enquire about energy, what is energy? Period.
> It's like asking
> In scientific terms what is quality. Does quality = energy? Can it be
> described in Terms of static and dynamic? Quite possibly. Does the
> interaction itself between differing forms of energy become an energy
> force of it's own? And can only be percieved by that Interaction? Any
> ideas?
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