Quoting Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > Social Security is not a welfare program because benefits are not dependent > on "need." Everyone who works must pay SS taxes. Everyone who paid in can > collect at retirement. > > [Case] > Social Security, AFDC, Food Stamps and other social service dollars are > lumped in the federal budget as entitlement programs.
Yeah, government propagandists hate the word "welfare." Reminds people to much of freeloaders. > [Platt] > So guess what? Some get pregnant to collect. > > [Case] > This is another Republican myth. I am not saying that it has never happened > but it is very rare and the idea that it has become a cornerstone of public > policy is an obscenity. Not the cornerstone of public policy, but the cornerstone of welfare cheats. > [Platt] > No requirement that there be a father in the house. > > [Case] > The funding is allocated to assist children regardless of family living > arrangements A program designed for children often abused by adults. > [Platt] > >From what I've seen in market check out lines, you can buy a lot of things > besides food with food stamps, like diapers. > > [Case] > You can buy whatever you want but you have to pay cash for things disallowed > under the Food Stamp program. If you believe this is happening locally I > suggest you call the local food stamp office and report the store where this > happens for possible fraud. Fat chance I would get anywhere. > [Platt] > As if cheating doesn't occur. Yeah, right. > > [Case] > And a big part of the inefficient inherent in government programs is the red > tape involved it trying to minimize this. There is no system anywhere in any > sector public or private that is immune from cheating and exploitation. This > is not a specific indictment of social services programs. Cheating in the private sector is vigorously opposed. Cheating in the government sector gets a wink and a nod. > [Platt] > Some street people prefer living that way. When attempts are made to give > them shelter, they resist. > > [Case] > There are a variety of reasons for this including mental illness but one you > should consider is that they do not wish to have the government take money > out of their pockets to give to others and so they do not participate in the > system. I have advised you in the past no one is required to pay taxes, only > those who chose to participate in the economy. Some people do make the > choice not to participate. So let them alone. > [Platt] > Right. Some go to emergency rooms just to have someone to talk to. People > should be required to have private health insurance, just like they are > required to have auto liability insurance. > > [Case] > Shoulda, woulda, coulda. It is a shame the world does not conform to your > expectations. Nevertheless it is not as though everyone obeys the law to > purchase car insurance just because there is law. Plus I would think having > people force you to buy insurance of any kind at the point of a gun would > bother you. Forcing you to be responsible is OK by me, like obeying traffic laws. > Do you seriously believe that anyone anywhere thinks the ER is a cool place > to hang out for chit chat? Ask those who run the place what it's like. > [Platt] > Before swallowing any so called facts from the government, everyone should > read "How to Lie with Statistics." > > [Case] > Where is Craig on this one? Just because some liars use statistics does not > mean that all statistics are lies. True. But it's well to be suspicious, especially when the statistics are compiled by a government bureaucrat interested in keeping and expanding her job. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
