What now Bo?
> I had said to Magnus:
>
>>>> I do see the correlation between SCIENTIFIC biology and ditto >
>>>> sociology.
>
> And Magnus - demonstrating his will to misunderstand -
> commented:
>
>>> Well, since science your only view to reality, that will have to do I
>>> guess.
>
> Mati:
>
>> Bodvar, say it isn't so!!!! ;-)
>
> Rest assured, my view is the MOQ and it says that the sciences
> belong to the 4th. level and - consequently - already been
> transformed into Q-patterns. Again: The premises for physics -
> that of a subject studying objects - the S/O aggregate - has
> become intellect's static value.
>
> Pirsig's point with a Q-physics seems to have been to explain the
> vagaries of Quantum Physics, but he makes it sound as if only
> "particles" are inorganic patterns, but forces and fields - even
> causation - are inorganic patterns as well, thus a Q-physics sheds
> no explanatory light on things.
Wrong! See my last post about MoQ and the sciences.
> It's all superfluous. While intellect was S/O metaphysics, and
> philosophy had SOM as its premises, the Quantum weirdness
> made the physical world disappear into subjectivism. All this is
> changed by the MOQ, it shows that the weirdness was caused by
> "substance" being regarded fundamental while REALLY being
> part of a static level ... not part of the 1st. level, but of the 4th!!!
First you say I misunderstood, but now you seem to confirm my statement that
science is your only view to reality.
When you say that "substance" is of the 4th level, do you mean that the stone
outside my window is intellectual patterns??? Because that's how it comes
through to me. I can of course agree that the *idea* of a substance based
reality is an intellectual pattern, but you seem to (as usual) mix up the map
and the reality.
Another thing, first you say that a MoQ-look at physics is superfluous. Then
you
say the quantum weirdness made the physical world disappear into subjectivism,
but was then saved by the MoQ. That isn't superfluous in my book??
> The static inorganic level however is NOT "substance" and
> consequently displays no weirdness,
Would you mind listing a few inorganic patterns you recognize? You don't seem
to
recognize that there *is* a first level?
Magnus
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