Hi Kevin

> Re: What the MoQ recognizes.  Are you saying there exists a definitive and
> documented MoQ?

No, I'm afraid it doesn't, but I'm pretty sure most of the people here would 
agree that what the 4 static levels are supposed to describe, are 4 distinctly 
different kinds of reality. The reality of the ball and the reality of the 
feeling of the ball will fall in 2 different kinds of reality, but both are 
just 
as real. That's one of the key differences between the MoQ and for example 
idealism, which only recognizes one kind of reality.

What we're mostly arguing about, is how to divide these 4 kinds of reality, and 
it has proved to be pretty hard since each of us discusses them from one's own 
understanding of them, which in turn makes it hard to understand eachother's 
arguments.

> I mean that an individual's reality is defined by his or her relationships 
> with
> other people and the things and ideas that affect him or her.  I get the sense
> from some here that there exists a reality in which individuals are like
> isolated intellects, affected by nothing but their own thoughts.  For me there
> is nothing real about that.  For me, people affect and are affected by others
> and other things.  There's a bit of SOM in this.  And there's a bit of
> incarnational mysticism in it too.

I agree with you on this one. In my view, the ideas you talk about that affect 
other people, are intellectual patterns that, when you read about it, causes an 
intellectual quality event that may or may not strike you as good. Either way, 
you are somewhat affected by it. But I'm not sure I understand why it would be 
SOM nor mysticism?

        Magnus

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