Jos, You're using your senses to deny them, a contradiction.
Micah -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, Jos (OSPT) Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds I'm denying nothing, my senses are "real" from a pragmatic standpoint only. Likewise the internet is for all pragmatic purposes "real", but none of this is proof. I dont know whether I received the reply or not, perhaps I imagined it, perhaps I imagine you. How creative of me. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micah > Sent: 03 April 2007 15:40 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > Jos, > > So you received the reply? How? > > Let me guess - you use your senses to deny your senses? It's > cute when Case > does that too. > > Micah > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, > Jos (OSPT) > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > "Proves" nothing, less real than my own sense organs > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micah > > Sent: 02 April 2007 22:18 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > > > > Jos, > > > > The Internet. > > > > Micah > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, > > Jos (OSPT) > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:52 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > > > > Hi Micah > > > > Your response is good up to the "proving something does, is" > > line, can you > > provide me with an example? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micah > > > Sent: 22 March 2007 16:10 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > > > > > > > Jos, > > > > > > Your starting assumption of "AOI" existing rests on the > > > premise of "I". > > > > > > "AOI" cannot exist without first having "I" - removing "I" > > > therefore removes > > > the possibility of "AOI" existing (notice the "I" in "AOI"). > > > Further "AOI" > > > is non-thing. > > > > > > Proving something doesn't exist is not possible; proving > > > something does, > > > is - you are asking me to prove nothing. > > > > > > > > > Micah > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Laycock, > > > Jos (OSPT) > > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:31 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > > > > > > > An honest attempt thus follows: > > > > > > If we remove the theoretical "I" from an equation it seems a > > > reasonable > > > assumption that the result will be "absence of I". This > > > absent state can > > > then be regarded as an entity (AOI). > > > With the starting assumption that AOI exists I can then > require the > > > questioner to prove its non existence, rather than the other > > > way around. > > > > > > Micah, please prove that my non-existence does not exist in > > > absence of my > > > existence? > > > > > > Clearly this AOI is an example of a "thing" that exists > > > independently of me > > > and will be present after my death, better than that it is > > > actively "proved" > > > by my non-existence - the deader I am the more strongly the > > > case is made. > > > > > > Jos > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Micah > > > > Sent: 19 March 2007 16:14 > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > > > > > > > > > > Case, > > > > > > > > Will you at least answer the question? Or are you a Solipsist? > > > > > > > > Micah > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Case > > > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:11 AM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds > > > > > > > > > > > > [Micah] > > > > "I" can't prove anything without "I", can you? I can't prove > > > > anything after > > > > death, can you? > > > > > > > > [Case] > > > > That is as good a statement of solipsism as I have heard > > > yet. 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