Hi Ron, I wasn't sorry, but will have a read back through and see what's what.
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Kulp > Sent: 19 April 2007 15:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] TOPOS - OY THIS IS IMPORTANT > > > Jos, > I don't know if you were following the "heads or tails" > thread but this > is > What I was getting at with dynamic value and assumed > absolutes in regard > to > Perception. > [snip] > "This paper is the first in a series whose goal is to develop a > fundamentally new way of > constructing theories of physics. The motivation comes from a > desire to > address certain > deep issues that arise when contemplating quantum theories of > space and > time. > A striking feature of the various current programmes for quantising > gravity- > including superstring theory and loop quantum gravity-is that, > notwithstanding their > disparate views on the nature of space and time, they almost all use > more-or-less > standard quantum theory. Although understandable from a pragmatic > viewpoint > (since all we have is more-or-less standard quantum theory) this > situation is nevertheless > questionable when viewed from a wider perspective. Indeed, there has > always > been a school of thought asserting that quantum theory itself needs to > be radically > changed/developed before it can be used in a fully coherent quantum > theory of gravity. > This iconoclastic stance has several roots, of which, for us, the most > important is > the use in the standard quantum formalism of certain critical > mathematical ingredients > that are taken for granted and yet which, we claim, implicitly assume > certain properties > of space and time. Such an a priori imposition of spatio-temporal > concepts would be > a major error if they turn out to be fundamentally incompatible with > what is needed > for a theory of quantum gravity. > A prime example is the use of the continuum which, in this context, > means the real > and/or complex numbers. These are a central ingredient in all the > various mathematical > frameworks in which quantum theory is commonly discussed. For example, > this is > clearly so with the use of (i) Hilbert spaces and operators; (ii) > geometric quantisation; > (iii) probability functions on a non-distributive quantum logic; (iv) > deformation quantisation; > and (v) formal (i.e., mathematically ill-defined) path > integrals and the > like. > The a priori imposition of such continuum concepts could be radically > incompatible > with a quantum gravity formalism in which, say, space-time is > fundamentally discrete: > as, for example, in the causal set programme." > > moq_discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > This email was received from the INTERNET and scanned by the > Government Secure Intranet Anti-Virus service supplied by > Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM > Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) 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