Hello Case,
> [Kevin]
> Actually I understood Keating to be talking about God on first hearing his
> explanation. I'm not sure what you mean by the second question. How do
> you understand Other (capital O)?
>
> [Case]
> I am not familiar with Keating. What I am saying is that there are those
> among us here who do not recognize a reality that is Other.
But you do recognize the reality of others (lower case o)? Which is to say
you and me and others enjoy individual lives. From this perspective, what
is Quality (capital Q)? Is Quality (capital Q) the same as quality (lower
case q)?
> They seem to think we are making all this up in our own heads or that
> we are the finite manifestations of some divine thinker who really is us
> if we would only meditate long enough to realize our true nature.
Right. Subjective imaginings or objective manifestations. By the way,
who are "they?"
> When someone speaks of God they could mean anything from a
> pantheistic God who is the sum of everything, to the warm fuzzy
> oneness with the universe feeling you get from mediation or
> pharmaceuticals to God the Big Daddy serving us pie in the sky
> when we die.
Right. And so our subjective imaginings and objective reality matter.
But more importantly, what or how do they matter? Is the measure of their
importance or worth or quality itself something subjective or objective?
Condemnation and judgement is the dark side of subject/object metaphysics,
imo.
> All I am saying is that when humans took it upon themselves to actually
> study the messy dirty world, those shadow filled cave walls; that is when
> progress started. As long as we focus on our navels or the world of ideals
> or the Absolute Ultimate whatever, about all we see is a finger pointing at
> we know not what, and I am beginning to think it is the middle finger that
> is pointing.
>
> In order to gain an understanding of what is out there we need a better
> handle on what is going on inside us.
Yes.
> [Kevin}
> And it seems to be getting sketchier all the time.
>
> [Case]
> As long as we focus on speculative metaphysics and abstractions a sketch
> is all we will ever get.
Speculative metaphysics? Is there any other kind?
Kevin
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