On 03/07/2007, at 7:42 AM, Heather Perella wrote: > [Marsha] >> This seems an example of the difference between >> 'knowing by >> experience' and 'knowing by abstract manipulation'. >> Before Archemedes discovered the mathematical >> principles of displacement, people knew through > experience which >> boats could float, which couldn't and which floated > better. After the >> Archemedes mathematical principles were understood, > boats could >> be better designed for future purposes with more > precise >> accuracy. What do you think? Can this represent > the Social >> Level vs the Intellectual Level? >> I don't let go very well. > > People knew through experience. Ok, thus, > knowing via dq, which I think you and I understand. > Now, as to people knowing through experience and if > that knowing was social, until Archemedes discovered > mathematical principles of displacement? I believe > that's your question. Hmmm, good question! Was there > any abstract thought about boats before Archemedes, > thus, when people knew by experience? I don't even > know if this knowing by experience is social. People > abstractly planned this boat, I believe. Tradition, > the knowledge about this boat that was passed down, > for example, was discussed. People thought abstractly > about these boats, I'd say. There wasn't a boat and > then there was. Now, if this boat that was being made > was made by copying another boat that was nearby and > the builders looked at this other boat and just made a > new boat, I'm leaning social level. Yet, what of this > first boat? With that, I'm leaning intellectual, > something abstract was transferred from the head into > wood or grass. Now what of watching ducks float in > water? Well, that may trigger a boat, and here again, > I'd say something abstract glimmered in this person's > mind. Something was present in the mind that was not > on any other level to be found. It wasn't inorganic, > organic, or social. All's that left over is > intellectual. > > blue and green, > SA
Hi Marsha and SA, Might I direct your attention to the post entitled: What are the Intellectual and Social levels? Where I respond to this question of 'knowing'. Cheers, David. moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
