Hi Ian, Hi Gav I think it makes sense with or without this clarification, "A scientist" being an intellectual pattern and "science" also being an intellectual pattern, how are the two different? My simplistic understanding of Freudian psychoanalysis has it that we produce irrationaly held neuroses by transfering the fear and anxiety that we have for something that is real but too difficult to deal with, onto something that is not real but is more compatible with self image.
In my experience nobody is completely without neurosis of some type, so theres really no point suggesting that this patient (intellecttual static pattern "science") is any different, clearly the answer to a question "is Science neurotic", is yes, but more interestingly I would want to look at the sources of the neuroses, and establish what more potent demon it is that "science" finds its-self unable to confront directly. We need therefore to show that there are instances where the scientific community expends time and resources on a false problem that might be regarded as a communal anxiety/phobia, that can be shown to be a transferrence of fears from another problem that's being avoided. Could be anything like for instance, if we see the great trauma in infancy of the introduction of general relativity theories and loss of standard neutonian physics, has yet to be properly grieved and so in adulthood we "science" develop a paranoia about the world heating up and frying us all alive. Or perhaps through the consistent faliure to deal effectively with motive in the philosophical underpinning of the scientific method, we become morbidly afraid of asteroids. Sadly Ian's website is deemed to be offensive by Websense (my office's IT security system) so I cant see whats already been said. Dont suppose anyone wants to copy and paste some of it here please? > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ian glendinning > Sent: 11 July 2007 00:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MD] Is Science Neurotic > > > Interestingly gav, Nick's opening line is that very question - he is > of course talking about science as a collective term scientists in > general and the practices they claim to follow. 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