Bo and all

BO

> You have possibly noticed my effort to "smoke out"   Jonathan and Wavedave so that 
>we - before June's over

> WAVEDAVE is another mind-intellectual in my opinion.

3WD

In my opinion you're mistaken.

> Because of this it is very difficult, if not impossible, to clearly separate where 
>the intellectual construct of a
> pattern leaves off and the pattern itself  begins. 

> From an emergence standpoint the next higher level cannot be present without the
> lower to evolve from. Or in other words you will not find an intellectual pattern 
>floating around
> all by itself. It's ugly stepchildren social, biological and inorganic will be 
>tagging along
> somewhere close.

In fact, as the above posted quotes and similar others indicate, I believe that it is 
impossible to
clearly define the dividing point between mind and body.  Or for that matter the 
boundaries of any
of the four level of values that is "me.  Or "me"  from that " external world  of 
things out there
which are  independent of intellectual patterns".   I have never experienced a mind, 
nor an
intellect, nor  living intellectual pattern of value that was divorced from a body.  
Nor the
reverse, though I've experienced some who approach this condition, but naming names 
would probably
be considered "walloping." 

I think many are confusing "independent" with "divorced" in their whole evaluation of 
levels. So let
me put it succinctly:

Divorce is not an option.

But some degree of independence or freedom is.

And it is these qualities that all strive for.

And the MoQ helps investigate the way.

3WD

PS: I'm off to Altanta for a little government mandated continuing education until the 
26th. Check
on your summations then.

PPS: I'm also beginning to see why Struan, in his own irritating way, is right. The 
use of  "SOM" as
a whipping boy to validate the MoQ creates more problems than it solves.




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