Andreas and MF In your post of 6 Nov you said: > " Yes, but people might get annoyed by Your 'shuffle mode' because You > do not take part in their dialectical discussion. You have not > answered Bos and Ricks questions. Marco is right when he says that > with every right there comes a duty. Ideas in the MOQ are developed in > a controversial way." - " When I try this I get confused and end up > nowhere." - " So this forum is not the right place for You." - " Well, > maybe but there are different ways to learn, which I follow. And I > come closer, understanding more of what has been said." - " What > different ways do You mean ? " - " The ripening of theories. Wait till > they are sweet and tasty and then assimilate." - " You mean, writing > something on a piece of paper and carrying it around with you and/or > putting it in places where you always come across. " - " Yes, this i > a part of it." Don't worry about not answering questions or of staying in "shuffle mode". Nobody except you have delivered anything this month but it has nothing to do with annoyance, as for me I got hung up in the Memetic "invasion" over at the MD. It proves that quality-like ideas are now forwarded in an increasing rate, but that Pirsig is the only one who has prepared the ground for them. Without having his due recognition of course :-( Back to the November topic: > In order to bring a pragmatic element into the discussion, state how > Lila has affected our lives from a personal perspective. I read with interest your earlier post about ZAMM's impact and as I understand it your response was partly emotional - you spoke about crying - and I think that proves some point. Like Cher sings: (never seen it in writing but it sound like "Choop-choop Song") ....."it's in his tears". There was a long time that I only had to pick up the first copy (Corgi paperback) and read the blurbs on the cover to get really emotional. Still works btw. Yet, it's only in the subject-object universe that emotions are divided from intellect and I am sure that your relief stemmed from some total insight that the book conveyed. I have told about my encounter of the first kind in my essay and need not repeat it, but let me tell that I wrote to this mysterious person Robert Pirsig who had touched me so profoundly. My letter was written some time after the meeting and when a reply arrived a long time after that again (1980) I almost went "mad" with delight. More so because he told me that he was working on a new book. For more than ten years I lived with ZAMM. My understanding of the Quality Metaphysics at that stage was perhaps a little hazy, but I FELT that it said something completely new, and that this was not the last word from Pirsig. I wrote another letter, but Pirsig answered that the new book needed some more work, so when LILA arrived in 1991 it came as an absolute surprise. I had been to a lecture given by a psychologist who I knew and in a break he showed me two books he had recently bought and I almost hit the roof when one of them proved to be Pirsig's new work. LILA the title said with the familiar "inquiry into morals" beneath. I managed to buy the book from him on the spot - he had the other one which was one called "The matter myth" - and spent the second half of the lecture reading. Now, I will not go in detail about my digestion of LILA, it was no disappointment - far from that - but not that instant love affair that ZAMM had been either. Yet, it did not take long before its scope dawned on me. It is a little more "divided" than ZAMM, the story more made up to accommodate the philosophy, but I got a better understanding of the Phadrus/Pirsig person, his ordeal, his difficulties ....it all reminded me of myself. But the MOQ took over, I was amazed that one single person could come up with this outrageous "turned sock" view - I still am increasingly so. To what extreme torture by the subject/object universe must he have been a subject, to go mad and from outside the SOM perimeter, turn back and see that it is a closed system and not IT ALL. I still get quite "soft" when recalling this my first encounter with the MOQ proper. And saying that it has affected my life is to say the least. Thanks for reading Bo MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
