Bo and all focusers: BO said: And that's my point: the SOL is in accordance with Pirsig's work ...except some annotations in LC, but ZMM and LILA are his legacy.
dmb replies: Maybe we can get at this month's question by looking at Bo's assertion. He says that, except for some notes in LC, his view of intellect "is in accordance with Pirsig's work". First let me say that my defense of Pirsig's MOQ is not motivated by hero worship or religious zealotry (...like some holy scripture ..us the Talibans. "Born-Again Sophism" "Scientology Church".)and it does not imply the narrowness of interpretation that some have suggested. In fact, I think there is a wide range of valid interpretations of the MOQ. But I also think the range of invalid interpretations in infinitely wider. Its not just that some are better than others, its also true that some views are simply incorrect, incompatible, irrelevant or are otherwise flawed. Having said that, its my assertion that SOLAQI contradicts Pirisg's MOQ and so it can't rightly be taken as a valid interpretation. This contradiction does not come from LC notes either. Take a look at these two exerpts from LILA and, dear reader, please take notice of how Pirsig describes the relationship between SOM and the MOQ. "Now, it should be stated at this point that the MOQ SUPPORTS this dominance of intellect over society. ...But having said this, the MOQ goes on to say that science, the intellectual pattern that has been appointed to take over society, has a defect in it. The defect is that subject-object science has no provision for morals. Subject-object science is only concerned with facts. Morals have no objective reality. ...Now that intellect was in command for the first time in history, was THIS the intellectual pattern it was going to run society with?" ch 22 LILA "Phaedrus thought that a MOQ could be a replacement for the paralyzing intellectual system that is allowing all this destruction to go unchecked. The paralysis of America is a paralysis of moral patterns. Morals can't function normally because morals have been declared intelllectually illegal by the subject-object metaphysics that dominate present social thought. ..It's this intellectual pattern of amoral 'objectivity' that is to blame for the social deterioration of America, ..." ch 24 LILA dmb continues: I think these passages show that Pirsig's idea of the intellectual level is one that allows room for both metaphysical systems. In the first he laments the flaw in SOM and shows us the need for an alternative. In the second he offers the MOQ as a replacement for SOM. Everybody understands this to a point, but what I think it shows is that the relationship between SOM and the MOQ is a kind of rivalry and that both intellectual systems can fit into Pirsig's fourth level. Or, let me put it like this.... If SOM is the enemy And intellect = SOM And the MOQ is the cure Then intellect is the enemy and the MOQ is not intellectual. I'm not trying to mock or joke here. I sincerely think that SOLAQI leads to these disasterous conclusions. If intellect itself is the enemy, instead of the flaw in it, I'm almost afraid to imagine what SOLAQI does to the MOQ's moral codes. And then there is a need to create a fifth level so the MOQ itself, which is somehow above the intellectual level, has a place to call home. Its all too complicated and absurd for my tastes, but more to the point, it simply is not compatible with Pirsig's ideas. I think Pirsig has already successfully defeated SOLAQI, not to mention Paul, myself and several others. As far as I'm concerned, the issue is settled. SOLAQI defines intellect too narrowly, so narrowly that Pirsig's moves, desribed in these quotes from the climax of the book, become unintelligible. I dare say SOLAQI is a monkey wrench in the MOQ and it jams up one of Pirsig's most central concerns; addressing the flaw in the "metaphysics that dominate present social thought." Thanks, dmb MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/ MF Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_focus follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/mf/subscribe.html
