Hello everyone, Bo wrote: >He also suggested that any "impulse" that surfaces at the >intellectual end has to start at the inorganic level (any idea has to >have a neurological parallell [Re. Spinoza's psycho-physical >parallelisms!]) But at the inorganic level Tor postulates an initial >quantum (random) event as the "prime mover"...even if the passage >through the other levels are lesser 'quality events' too. > >Jaap accepted this and launched into some highly interesting >considerations how I want to make clear I do nor accept an "initial quantum (random) event" as the prime mover. That way, as I said before, causation sneaks into MOQ again. As I wrote I see more in a DQ flowing downward through the levels creating a vertical chain of events but working only creative ;) at the highest (active) level. Second there is a sideway apearing throughout the discussion: Is MOQ rejecting SOM or not ? Some people say at does but others reject that. Last week I spent some spare time rereading a major part of Lila. Pirsig says that there are more metaphysical realities (just as there are more (social) cultures, more (biological) species and maybe more (anorganic) "worlds"). I conclude the SOM has no place in the MOQ (although MOQ can study SOM but SOM can not study MOQ), but according to MOQ SOM is a equivalent metaphysic reality wich is seen by "MOQ-believers" as a lower step in the intellectual evolution. I would like to compare it with the biological level. From one brance of evolution there are more species living at the same time; when due to a evolutionairy event one specie is succeeded by one other you can not say that the members of the old specie are a kind of special case whitin the new specie -they are an other specie !- but neither can you say that the new specie rejects the old one. You can only say the new specie is better adjusted but as long both species can survive they are equivalent; they are both succesfull. greetings, Jaap P.S. Could you tell me where I can read about the SOLAQI idea ? Probably it's somewhere in the archive. MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
