Dear foci, Back from a holiday under the smoke of mount Etna my conclusions from this months topic would be: Concerning the relation between subject and object in terms of MoQ and why the object-subject split is denied by the MoQ (Jaap's third "problem"): The MoQ does not deny the object-subject split, but makes it secondary to the static-dynamic split, incorporates it and (therefore) makes subjects and objects relative (puts them into perspective). It does deny that only what is objective is real, that reality consists only of objects. "Objects" and "subject" are in a sense "created" by quality events (= experience analysed as consisting of separate events). Both "objects" and "subject" are created as patterns of value (static Quality), the patterns we recognise in and/or deduce from our experience (quality events). Experience creates our reality = quality = morality (even though recognition and deduction lead us to presume that reality was already there before our experience) because we only experience value. Value is either maintaining (static quality) or changing to the better (Dynamic Quality) a static pattern. So our primary reality is quality events and our secondary (but just as real) reality is static patterns of value, some of which we identify with (subjective patterns of value that constitute our identity) and of some of which we don't identify with (objective patterns of value). Both the subject and the objects (and thus the dividing line) are changeable; sometimes I identify with these static patterns of value, at other times with others. Only the core is relatively unchangeable, otherwise I wouldn't recognise myself. Concerning static and dynamic parts of objects and subjects (Jaap's first and second "problems"): They presuppose SOM as basic and the MoQ as secondary. You first have to make the subject-object split before you split into static and dynamic. This presupposition is inconsistent with the MoQ and these questions are therefore wrong and should be unasked. With friendly greetings, Wim Nusselder MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
