Back in the days when phenetic clustering was new, at one point someone (Sokal, Rohlf, someone like that) suggested that their field be called "taxometrics". Someone else pointed out that the more proper Greek name would be "taximetrics". Someone else then killed off this suggestion by pointing out that that was too easy for that to be mistaken for the study of taxi meters.
Joe ---- Joe Felsenstein j...@gs.washington.edu Department of Genome Sciences and Department of Biology, University of Washington, Box 355065, Seattle, WA 98195-5065 USA On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Emma Sherratt <emma.sherr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Chris, Norm, Alannah, > > Thank you for your comments and discussion on this term! And for engaging > in a fun and different topic for this forum. > > It is indeed the etymology and usage I find most fascinating. I have > noticed through my years of training in morphometrics (as I would call it) > that colleagues in Brazil and Spanish speaking countries say morphometry > usually and I'd not heard this before - at least I don't remember hearing > it said in Britain. I began to wonder why, but had not found the answer. > I'm glad I'm not the only one interested in this - thanks Mauro! > > Have a lovely weekend all! > > Best wishes, > > Em > > On Thursday, 8 September 2016, Chris Klingenberg <c...@manchester.ac.uk> > wrote: > >> Dear Emma >> >> They are synonyms, with the same meaning. Incidentally, that is the same >> as for "biometry" and "biometrics". >> >> I think "morphometry" may be the older of the two (the Oxford English >> Dictiionary has a first occurrence in 1857, although it is not clear >> whether the meaning is the same, versus 1960 for "morphometrics"), and is >> the more traditional-sounding one. >> During much of the 20th century, words ending in "-ics" had the aura of >> coolness about them (perhaps from physics envy) as it now applies to those >> ending in "-omics". >> >> Also, I have a feeling (which may be wrong) that there may be a >> geographic flavour to the two words. In my impression, the word >> "morphometry" is perhaps more widespread in Britain (plus perhaps the >> Commonwealth), whereas folks in North America seems to use "morphometrics" >> pretty much all the time. >> Furthermore, "morphometry" may come more naturally to writers who >> translate from another language (French "morphométrie", German >> "Morphometrie" etc.). >> >> There would be room for linguistic research here.... >> >> Best wishes, >> Chris >> >> >> On 08/09/2016 06:01, Emma Sherratt wrote: >> >>> Dear Morphmet-hive mind, >>> >>> I've been curious for some time about the terms "morphometry" and >>> "morphometrics" and whether they are in fact interchangeable or quite >>> distinct. Also, is it related to the difference between phylogeny and >>> phylogenetics? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> >>> -- >>> MORPHMET may be accessed via its webpage at http://www.morphometrics.org >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MORPHMET" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to morphmet+unsubscr...@morphometrics.org <mailto: >>> morphmet+unsubscr...@morphometrics.org>. >>> >> >> -- >> *********************************** >> Christian Peter Klingenberg >> School of Biological Sciences >> University of Manchester >> Michael Smith Building >> Oxford Road >> Manchester M13 9PT >> United Kingdom >> >> Web site: http://www.flywings.org.uk >> E-mail: c...@manchester.ac.uk >> Phone: +44 161 2753899 >> Skype: chris_klingenberg >> *********************************** >> >> -- >> MORPHMET may be accessed via its webpage at http://www.morphometrics.org >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MORPHMET" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to morphmet+unsubscr...@morphometrics.org. >> >> > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Emma Sherratt, PhD. > > > Postdoctoral Researcher in the Keogh Lab > <http://biology-assets.anu.edu.au/hosted_sites/Scott/> > Division of Evolution, Ecology & Genetics > Research School of Biology > 116 Daley Road > The Australian National University > Acton, ACT 2601 > AUSTRALIA > > email: emma.sherr...@gmail.com > office tel: +61 2612 53029 > mob: +61 4234 19966 > Twitter: @DrEmSherratt <https://twitter.com/DrEmSherratt> > co-author of geomorph R package: Software website > <http://geomorphr.github.io/geomorph/> | CRAN website > <https://cran.r-project.org/web/packages/geomorph/> | googlegroups > <https://groups.google.com/d/forum/geomorph-r-package> > > Caecilians are legless amphibians... > > * __ > (\ .-. .-. /_") > \\_//^\\_//^\\_// > `"` `"` `"`* > > learn more about them here: www.emmasherratt.com/caecilians > > > > > -- > MORPHMET may be accessed via its webpage at http://www.morphometrics.org > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MORPHMET" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to morphmet+unsubscr...@morphometrics.org. > -- ---- Joe Felsenstein j...@gs.washington.edu Department of Genome Sciences and Department of Biology, University of Washington, Box 355065, Seattle, WA 98195-5065 USA -- MORPHMET may be accessed via its webpage at http://www.morphometrics.org --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MORPHMET" group. 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