Maura,
 
Sounds like you have lots of good things going on in book clubs.  If  the 
roles work and you are hearing good discussions then that is great.   One thing 
I 
wonder about and that is when the whole class reads the whole  book.  How is 
ONE book "just right" for everyone in your class?  That  is the only thing 
that confused me about your plan.
 
Off to bed.....
 
Leslie
 
 
In a message dated 2/9/2008 11:53:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Laurie,
It doesn't sound like you have done anything wrong! I think  you should 
continue to monitor the groups, allowing those students who still  do not seem 
to 
get it to share their observations of those who are more  successful. 
Reflection on what the others did and how he or she could do  better the next 
time may 
help. 

Third grade students are  developmentally diverse, or so I found when I 
taught third. Some students may  just not be ready to fully take on the book 
club 
roles.  I am now  teaching fifth grade, and I find that four or five students 
out of 26 come  unprepared for lit circle. I have them stay at their desks 
completing their  role sheets before they can join the group. This way they are 
still getting  the in-depth analysis of the text, which, to me, is the purpose 
of the roles.  They are sometimes finished in enough time to join their group. 
Sometimes they  are not. We have class discussions about the impact on groups 
when a member is  not prepared. Fifth grade children are  somewhat motivated 
by peers to  get it together. 

I have an inclusion class in which I know a couple of  the children will not 
be able to completely do this yet. However, they  continue to benefit by 
seeing the exemplary model of others. At this point in  our lit circles, all 
students have the same roles. So each group can see how  each student completed 
the 
same job. We have one more job to go. After that,  we'll try the circles with 
each child having a different job. Evaluations  (self and group) are also part 
of the learning process for them. This is the  most structured I have been in 
setting up lit circles. I have mixed feelings  about  the formality of roles. 
The books we use are presented as a choice  within our thematic units. We are 
doing "Coming of Age" now and have read ON  MY HONOR and FROM THE MIXED UP 
FILES OF MRS. BASIL E FRANKWEILER. When we try  the lit circles with different 
jobs, they can choose from BRIDGE TO TEREBITHIA  or HATCHET. 

Perhaps you can move away from roles. I rarely used them  in third. I would 
rather give all the students the same comprehension task,  such as bringing 
three questions and the answers or predictions. Perhaps they  would need to 
identify two important moments in the text for the character.  This way, even 
if a 
student did not do a thorough job, they still were lifted  by those in the 
groups who did better. They learned from each other and  improved. I also tried 
"talking chips" for groups who needed guidance in  sharing the conversation. 
Each student was given four two-colored counters.  Each time he or she spoke, 
the chip had to be placed in the center. When all  of a child's chips were 
used, 
he or she had to wait for others to use their  chips before that child could 
share again. I also found it easier to have  everyone in the class reading the 
same book. This way, we could have whole  group discussions to supplement the 
smaller book club meetings. 

So  hang in there with it. Look at what you want the children to learn from 
the  lit circles and focus your teaching there. You sound like you put a lot of 
 thought into it!
Best,
Maura
5/NJ

-------------- Original  message ----------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Dear  Readers,
> 
> My third grade class is struggling with book clubs  this year. I purposely 
set 
> out to model, model, model what is  expected of a book club member.  We 
read a 
> book in  a  whole-group setting and practiced the four roles so that every 
> table  group had a chance to experience each role. The roles are: Word 
Wizard,  
> Summarizer,  Big Idea Sketcher, Question Master, and Character  Monitor. We 
even 
> did a few "fish bowl" discussions where I sat in to  model how a 
conversation 
> works. while the rest of the class sat in a  circle around us and observed. 
 I 
> thought we were ready.   Now that they are half way through the books, I 
see that 
> perhaps even  more modeling was needed. 
> 
> I stressed how important it was to  come to the group prepared and how it 
was 
> their responsibility to get  the reading done on time.  I felt that I gave 
them 
> plenty of  time to do the reading and prepare for their jobs....however, as 
I 
>  circulate from group to group during the discussin time, I notice that a 
good  
> third of the class is not prepared.  They either haven't  finished the 
reading 
> or their job is only half completed.   During the discussion time they get 
so 
> loud that no one can hear  themselves talk.   Again, I've modeled and we 
have 
>  role-played and brainstormed....what have I done wrong?  
>  
> Thanks for any feedback you might have to offer.
> 
>  Laurie Tandy
> Third Grade
> California
> 
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