Well said, Sally. One of my objections to the CCSS is that the reading selections are crazy. For example, they list "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" by Lewis Carroll as a selected literature text for grades 4-5. Uh.... I don't think so.

At least they left Charlotte's Web in grades 2 & 3.

Another objection I have is that, once again, public school teachers were not largely included in the process. If you look to see who wrote these, it is a bunch of for-profit charter school people. Sorry, but I have an objection to that.

And I will admit I have not been through them with a fine-toothed comb in a systematic way, and frankly, the math ones seem better than what we have now in California (CCSS are less nit-picky). But the big thing is that they appear to be headed toward a national test and the last thing we need is more testing.

bleagh to all of it
Renee

On May 23, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Sally Thomas wrote:

Mindy, I think you've described this very well. When we look at standards across states and etc. often they are much the same. I do think at times there are subtle differences, words that have very different connotations if we are serious about understanding different assumptions about learning though. And states do very with some very long fragmented lists of very specific pieces of knowledge and skills (like California's - my state) and
others more general.

But if we know our subject/field etc. and how children learn and grow and develop in that field or subject, there is much to be agreed on and they just aren't that scary. I honestly never worried much about standards. I just knew how writing and reading develop across time and I just started where each child was and worked to support that child in moving forward! I
was confident about my professional ability as a teacher.

But there are big problems with what is happening now I (and others)
believe. The common core standards are being set forth as ones that we will all follow. And this will enable curriculum developers to sell their wares across all the states. In fact, word has been sent out already to all those education entrepreneurs out there that this will make their jobs easier. And this will allow national assessments that will ensure that everyone follows and interprets these standards in the same way. And of all this
frankly IS really scary.

Does this make some sense?

Sally


On 5/23/11 3:33 PM, "Melinda Jurus" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi all,

I'm enjoying reading all of the viewpoints on the Common Core Standards. Here is a question that I've always had in regard to the standards. Either my district, my state or my country is choosing the standards that our students will be learning that year. So no matter what, someone is making a decision on the course of learning for my grade level next year. What is the difference if it's done by my district vs. the federal level? When I compare the state/district standards to the Common Core they're not really that different, other than the Common Core have less individual indicators.

Currently, I use my state standards. Soon I'll use the federal standards. Either way, I'm teaching them what a citizen needs to do well in life and in this country. With any standards I teach, I'm guiding them to question, think and read. We don't learn the material for the test. We learn the material because it's interesting, but also because more of their life will
make sense if they understand these key concepts.

I'm just wondering what I'm missing when I hear people upset that we'll all
have the same standards, even though each one of our students already
follows *somebody's* idea of what's important. Why not have it be common to everyone? I don't feel like I'm not educating my students if I'm feeding them the Common Core Standards. It's just a slightly different set of
standards.

I'm really curious about this, and hope it didn't come across as defensive.

"The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
Dorothy Parker



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