I agree Pat and would add initial teaching that didn't help kids use strategies effectively - the cueing systems and strategies like reading on and rereading etc. all aimed toward meaning as the ultimate goal. Too much initial reading empahsizes decoding in decodable (meaningless texts)!! This isn't knowledgeable teachers like so many on this list but too many teachers are not teaching this way....not using running records and miscue analysis and so on as ongoing assessment tools. Sally
On 7/22/11 6:59 PM, "Patricia Kimathi" <[email protected]> wrote: > I partially blame that on the emphasis that most schools put on > reading fluency rate (speed reading) as one means of testing reading. > on our school quarterly assessment fluency rateis given the same > weight as comprehension. > Pat > On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:27 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> >> >> Now I want to clarify. I don't mean students cannot decode. Or at >> least I don't think that's what I mean. I have students every year >> who can say every word on the page out loud. They can even explain >> what each word individually means. >> If I ask for an explanation of what the entire page means, they >> cannot tell me. The problem I see most often is middle schoolers >> who seem not to know that reading is supposed to mean something. >> >> >> Quoting Laura <[email protected]>: >>> Well said--I don't think anyone has found the key for those >>> individuals who >>> just can't seem to decode the words. I had a brilliant third >>> grader this >>> year who read on a barely beginning first grade level--he had all the >>> comprehension skills if someone else could do the decoding for him. >>> Laura >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] "a;Better"a; reading >>> instruction...sigh... >>> >>>> When a middle schooled or high school student is reading on an >>> elementary >>>> level, It's easy to assume that somebody below didn't do it >>> "right" . > But as an elementary teacher, I just need to say that >>> we bust our butts >>>> on those students who are below grade level. We meet with them >>> daily in >>>> small group and and are always hovering by their desks to help >>> them with >>>> added support. We provide them with as much intensive support as >>>> available from reading teachers,we work with parents, set up >>> before and >>>> after school buddy pals, and nightly send home books at their >>> level for >>>> them to practice and now with RITA. probably spend triple the >>> amount of >>>> time planning lessons and assessing these students as we do our >>> grade >>>> level or advanced student. > >>>> We take so much abuse from the "political public" about how all >>> we need is >>>> good teaching and all will be right with the students. > I have >>> to caution you not to buy into this. Students who struggle learning >>>> to read have many and varied causes, and we have yet to find the >>> cause or >>>> "cure" for all of them. Please, don't play the bashing game and >>> blame the >>>> other guy. Chances are, your own success with these kiddos will >>> be as >>>> limited. > >>>> Kathy >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/ >> mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> > > PatK > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
