Thanks I will check it out!!
On 2/21/12 1:51 PM, "LIsa Ward" <[email protected]> wrote: > Put Thinking To The Test by Lori Conrad, Missy Mathews, Cheryl Zimmerman and > Patrick Allen is another great source for "thinking" through a test, and Sally > they actually use tests as a genre. It is an excellent book that came from the > work that Lucy Calkins did. > Lisa Ward > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Sally Thomas > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 2:19 PM > To: mosaic listserve > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Determining Importance > > A book I thought was helpful is A Teachers' Guide to Standardized Reading > Tests by Lucy Calkins, Beverly Falk and other NY teachers... > They were a teacher study group who came from perspectives shared on this list > and still felt a need to deal with tests, but not the usual test prep. > They wound up involving kids in inquiry into the tests - like tests as a > genre. Might be worthwhile exploring. I liked many parts of the book. I > know Bev from her long time work in New York on authentic assessment. She did > research on the Learning Record for example. She also has another book on > demystifying assessment that is excellent. > > Sally > > > On 2/19/12 11:28 AM, "evelia cadet" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Here is where I am struggling. How can I teach my students to >> determine what's important in a text, but at the same time they have >> to be able to answer those fake main idea questions from a test? Any advice? >> >> Sent from my Windows Phone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Palmer, Jennifer >> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 9:23 AM >> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Determining Importance >> >> It's the testing culture Renee. We test low level and that drives >> instruction. >> Think about main idea ... And it's relationship to what we are talking about. >> Determining importance becomes a game to guess what test authors feel >> is important... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:01 PM, "Renee" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I wonder what would happen if we just asked a student, "Why is this >>> important?" I'm thinking in a context, for example, of my own lesson, >>> when the student asked how Washington's face got on Mount Rushmore. >>> These were third graders. I can easily imagine a student ansswering, >>> "it isn't" and I could also easily imagine a student giving a reason, >>> maybe something like, "well, because he was so important that they >>> put him on a mountain so how did that happen?" >>> >>> I think it's a good question: Why is this important? It has that >>> lovely open-endedness that helps us learn what's going on the mind of a >>> student. >>> >>> And by the way.... in my substituting travels to various classrooms, >>> I am finding every year that it's harder and harder to get kids to >>> answer open-ended questions with any kind of confidence. That frightens me. >>> >>> Renee >>> >>> On Feb 18, 2012, at 1:49 PM, Palmer, Jennifer wrote: >>> >>>> I agree Renee. What I often do is spend a little time talking about >>>> our purpose for reading first and letting that guide the discussion >>>> ... I think it was Kylie Beers that uses the example of a text that >>>> is a description of a beautiful home. An interior decorator, a real >>>> estate agent and a thief, all would find different things in the >>>> text to be important because their purposes for reading would be quite >>>> different. >>> >>> It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be >>> entirely uneducated. >>> ~ Alec Bourne >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.o >>> rg >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.or >> g >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mosaic mailing list >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.or >> g >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
