Hi Jennifer, I would be very interested in any research supporting the ineffectiveness of whole group phonics.
Thank-you, Judy Judy Shenker Learning Enrichment And Development Coordinator Coordinatrice en enrichissement et développement de l'apprentissage Lower Canada College 4090, avenue Royal Montréal (Québec) H4A 2M5 Téléphone (514) 482-9797 ext. 333 Fax (514) 482-0195 Site web www.lcc.ca Students first L'élève avant tout Celebrating 15 years of coeducation LCC célèbre 15 ans d'éducation mixte On 12-02-24 7:43 AM, "Palmer, Jennifer" <[email protected]> wrote: >Pauline , I understand your dilemma. I am in the same position. Yet, no >matter how good the program, the only thing that's going to level the >playing field is PD. >We started Wilson before Fountas and Pinnell. The problem I see with any >phonics program is that it teaches the same skills to everyone. This >ensures that 2/3 of the kids will not learn. 1/3 of the kids already know >the skill. 1/3 are not ready to learn it. Whatever program you land on, >PD for it needs to include differentiation...assessment of student need >then small group instruction targeted to those needs. > >Let me know if you need the research behind this!! Whole group phonics is >ineffective. Consider the developmental nature of word learning in how >you proceed. >Jennifer > > >On Feb 24, 2012, at 1:11 AM, "Pauline K Nagle" <[email protected]> >wrote: > >> I have worked in several districts in Michigan and am currently a >> Curriculum Coordinator for Elementary Instruction. I, too, have been >> looking at phonics programs, because as I see it, not all teachers are >> created equal. While I would love to see all teachers creating >>literature >> rich, cross-curriculuar connections, with embedded word study work, I >>know >> that it is not the reality of our district or every teacher. To be >>fair, I >> don't think that we spend the amount of professional development >>necessary >> for all teachers to be strong experts of both their content and of >> explicit, scaffolded instruction. So, while I work towards that >>particular >> goal, I need to find a "program" that equals the playing field across >>all >> classrooms so that I do not create a district of "have good phonics >> instruction" and "have poor phonics instruction". If a quality program >> exists, that also provides flexibility (which I think the Fountas & >>Pinnell >> program does), then those with the expertise will be able to use it >> flexibly and those that need the structure of the program may have an >> improved quality of instruction. I currently have K teachers piloting >>the >> F&P Word Study work. >> >> I have a sample of Fundamentals and am wondering from those that have >>used >> it, how you got started and why you chose it over the others. The same >> with Saxon or Wilson Language. Was Fountas & Pinnell available at the >> point of your decision making and you chose those over F&P? Any >> information would be helpful. >> >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Renee <[email protected]> >>wrote: >> >>> In a nutshell..... I ran an individualized reading program that was >>> basically a combined readers' and writers' workshop, in which students >>> chose their own reading material, and I did comprehensive individual >>> conferences with each student at least a couple of times a week, during >>> which they talked about what they were reading, read aloud a bit to >>>me, and >>> we discussed their writing, including how they used phonetic >>>strategies in >>> their writing. They had individualized spelling tests and we also had >>> class-wide spelling words that were chunked into groups of words that >>> shared some kind of phonetic or spelling structure (and they chose the >>> words, as a group). My students wrote every day, and I almost never >>>gave >>> them writing prompts unless I wanted them to include something >>>specific. If >>> I did give prompts, I tried to make them as open-ended as possible. >>>Some of >>> their writing was creative, some was literature response, and some was >>> informational. My students created class books, and individual books. I >>> incorporated lots and lots of drawing and other art to tap into the >>>realm >>> of the visual learner. And yes, I also did some isolated phonics >>> instruction as I saw a need, but most of the phonics instruction was >>>done >>> through individual students' own writing. >>> >>> I am retired now and substituting, and, like Sally, I am in many >>>different >>> classrooms in a couple of different districts, and I do not find the >>>print >>> rich environments that I created as a teacher. I almost never see >>>poetry on >>> the walls, or collaborative stories, or teacher and/or student made >>>charts. >>> I see a lot of isolated this and that and very little connection >>>between >>> one subject an another, or even between reading and writing. "Explicit" >>> phonics instruction does not need to mean scripted programs. >>> >>> I'm sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. But for those who are not sure >>> what this list is supposed to be about, if you haven't read Mosaic of >>> Thought... pick up a copy and see what it's about. >>> >>> Renee >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Palmer, Jennifer wrote: >>> >>> So Renee, why don't you share how you handle this issue? How do you >>>find >>>> what kids need? How do you structure your classroom instruction to hit >>>> multiple needs? Please share how you kid watch and then use what >>>>you've >>>> learned? I think there's a lot of people who'd benefit from your >>>> experiences. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:34 PM, "Renee" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> No one has suggested that phonics has no place in skill instruction. >>>>> The question was about **scripted** phonics programs, which I .... >>>>>and >>>>> others.... do not feel are congruent with the Mosaic of Thought >>>>>strategies >>>>> for reading instruction. Of course phonics instruction is part of >>>>>reading >>>>> instruction. Part of it. And being able to decode is an important >>>>>strategy >>>>> in the comprehension process. But a scripted phonics program will >>>>>not, by >>>>> definition, look at individual needs of children, nor will it guide >>>>>the >>>>> teacher toward effective, individualized, kid-watching strategies. >>>>> >>>>> Renee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Cara Acosta wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Look, I don't want to start a debate, but there is a place for >>>>>phonics >>>>>> skill instruction. It can be weaved into a Reader's workshop >>>>>>format as >>>>>> mini lessons, and then applied in context. There are some kids, >>>>>> particularly LD kids, dyslexic kids, or struggling readers, who do >>>>>> benefit >>>>>> from explicit phonics instruction. Does that mean that the purpose >>>>>>of >>>>>> reading isn't still making meaning? Of course not! You can't make >>>>>> meaning >>>>>> if you can't read the words! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM, Lynette DeGraffenried < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have used the program with kindergarten through 3 rd grade and >>>>>>love >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> As a Title 1 Coordinator it is great for para professionals >>>>>>>working in >>>>>>> small groups. It is flexible so that I can target specific needs of >>>>>>> students. And it allows for sequential/developmental growth. I also >>>>>>> used it >>>>>>> as a teacher in my own class-1st and transitional first grades. >>>>>>> Lynette >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Suzanne Goebert < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was just wondering if anyone is using Fountas & Pinnell's >>>>>>>Phonics and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Word Study program in grade 2? Or is there a phonics program that >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> is using that works for them. 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