So what would you consider as your Writer's Purpose for argumentative writing? I would think it would be a combination of inform and persuade, but mostly persuade.
Thank you, Trish On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Kittleson, Kari < kari.kittle...@oldham.kyschools.us> wrote: > When reading the 5th grade standards (Kentucky): Write opinion pieces on > topics or texts, supporting a point of view with reasons and information. > > In my mind I see opinion writing and persuasive writing to be two > different things. Years ago in 5th we taught the kids to write persuasive > pieces, but now it is my understanding they are only writing their opinion. > This supports argumentative writing-you are introducing a topic, stating > your opinion, and creating an organizational structure in which ideas are > logically grouped to support your purpose. > > Kari > ________________________________________ > From: Mosaic [mosaic-boun...@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Amy > McGovern [mcgovern_amy64042...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 9:37 AM > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] CCSS & Writing > > This is interesting and I'm wondering how you would categorize a letter. > In an effort to prepare for the Smarter Balanced Assessment we asked our > 5th grade to write a letter to their principal persuading him or her to > either move forward with digital textbooks or not. Evidence must be > presented and synthesized to support their recommendation. > > To prepare the students, they watched 2 videos and were given an > informational text of pros and cons. > > We wrote the prompt with persuasive in mind. Again, the students have to > write a letter and supply their recommendation with evidence. Is this more > argument? They are asked to persuade... But is this just semantics? I'm > Interested in your thoughts. This is the first year we tried something > like this. All our 5th graders across the district are writing to this > prompt. > > Thanks for the feedback. > Amy > > > From: pkima...@earthlink.net > > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 06:02:46 -0700 > > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] CCSS & Writing > > > > Jennifer, > > I went to a one day training and your explanation was exactly the way it > was explained. While the jargon changes the major concepts keep coming > back. I would love to see lesson plans that people who use Mosaic > strategies are producing. Are any new books or workshops coming from > Ellin's group. > > Pat > > On Sep 29, 2013, at 5:36 AM, "Palmer, Jennifer" < > jennifer.pal...@hcps.org> wrote: > > > > > Argument writing is NOT persuasive. It is writing to build a case. > Suppose you ask your students to read Shakespeare...say ...Hamlet. Argument > writing would be a response to a prompt like "Was Hamlet justified in his > feelings against the new king? Why or why not?" Argument writing is about > taking a position and using evidence from the text (or in some cases of > argument writing) their own research... and building a case for their > thesis. > > > > > > My understanding is that claims support a thesis. A thesis is an > overall statement. There may be several claims that support the thesis... > and of course, under the CCSS in argument writing you must support all of > your claims. > > > Example... > > > Hamlet was justified in his plot against his king and mother. (thesis) > > > Claim 1... They murdered his father. > > > (then text evidence to support) > > > Claim 2... They murdered the rightful king. > > > (then text evidence to support) > > > Claim 3...self defense...they might murder Hamlet next because he is > an heir to the throne... > > > (then text evidence to support) > > > > > > It has been a while since I read Hamlet, but even if I don't remember > the plot line accurately, I hope this example helps. > > > > > > And in the 20+ years I have been in education, the jargon has > continually changed...so I would expect that to continue...CCSS though, I > think, will be around for quite a while. > > > > > >> On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:35 AM, "wr...@centurytel.net" < > wr...@centurytel.net> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> I'm wondering about the new vocabulary associated with the Common > Core State Standards. I'm only getting little snippets for my colleagues, > but nothing official at school, and nothing that helps me understand the > difference. > > >> I think that the word claim has replaced the word thesis. What's the > difference? If there is no difference, why is there now a different word? > > >> > > >> Persuasive writing is now called argumentative writing. Why? All my > students think they know what an argument is, and I would not call that > persuasive. > > >> Also, do you think these new words will be replaced (again) in the > next few years? > > >> > > >> I'm interested in any information you all can share before I start my > students on their first big writing assignment. Thanks! > > >> Jan > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Mosaic mailing list > > >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > >> > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > >> > > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Mosaic mailing list > > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > > > > PatK > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
