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I know OpenGL used to be just for 3D graphics, I?m not sure why about that in this case because there are no 3D graphics involved with streaming a video as far as I know. I haven?t compiled the code though so I?m not sure where the driver is needed. The driver names are mali_drm_dri.so and libvdpau_nvidia.so Thanks, John Byrne > On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:08 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user > <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > And also what build base you?re using from the HardKernel website. > Thanks. >> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:01 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >> >> Can you tell me what the specs are on your ODROID? and maybe the version of >> VLC you?re running. I see articles all over the place that say ODROID >> doesn?t have a mali driver. (for OpenGL?) Even on Hardkernel people are >> saying that there is no driver. >> >> John >>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 10:32 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Your video plays fine in my VLC on Ubuntu >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:11 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>> Hm?. I just tried display again and it worked. >>>> >>>> >>>> However, with VLC... >>>> (Works fine on windows. ? albeit a little fast.) This was from a >>>> previous run of the earlier version that had a slow frame rate so the >>>> video is fast. >>>> >>>> With VLC I get the error: >>>> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80) >>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' >>>> to use vlc without interface. >>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object >>>> file: No such file or directory >>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object >>>> file: No such file or directory >>>> [000ba458] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor >>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found >>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast >>>> >>>> Here?s the avi file: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is on Ubuntu 16.04 >>>> uname -a gives: >>>> Linux odroid 3.10.104-184 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 20 06:38:17 UTC 2017 >>>> armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:19 AM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use motion on multiple Odroid boards just fine. >>>>> What issue do you have? Can you provide full log, config and sample >>>>> files that you cannot view/play? >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>>> I used git to download and build 4.0.1 and it?s just as fast as my >>>>>> previous version. Thank you all for the help. >>>>>> >>>>>> As a caveat, now it seems I can?t use ?display? to show a jpeg image. >>>>>> It?s just blank when trying to view it. Other jpeg viewers work though >>>>>> mainly Eye of MATE (the image viewer that came with the Ubuntu package >>>>>> I?m using). The one that is attached to Caja, the file manager, is also >>>>>> working. I?m guessing the new jpeg-dev libraries changed the format of >>>>>> the files to a newer version? >>>>>> >>>>>> Avi?s weren?t able to be viewed on my last version anyway, but they >>>>>> can?t be viewed by VLC video viewer. This is probably an ODROID >>>>>> problem. I get the error: >>>>>> >>>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use >>>>>> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. >>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared >>>>>> object file: No such file or directory >>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared >>>>>> object file: No such file or directory >>>>>> [a8100c58] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor >>>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found >>>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> John Byrne >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:03 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can I invest in this software? I?d love to be able to join a group >>>>>>> working on software. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> John Byrne >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:59 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Strong advice - upgrade to the latest 4.0.1 version >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:43 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I moved from Ubuntu 14 to 16.04 and now my frame rate is much slower. >>>>>>>>> The frames were always blurry but now I only get about 3 fps. :( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I?m running the latest motion from the apt-get distro >>>>>>>>> 3.2.12+git20140228. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can someone help me out? I?ve tried the exposure_auto and >>>>>>>>> exposure_absolute with little success. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I?ve also tried changing to MJPG with the v42l_palette and it doesn?t >>>>>>>>> work. (Only YUYV works the motion log is saying) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Byrne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> P.S. I?d be happy to develop this project if anyone is interested in >>>>>>>>> directing me towards what needs to be developed. I was thinking >>>>>>>>> about using gperf tools on motion but think I?d try this list before >>>>>>>>> I put a lot of effort into that. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Motion-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> Motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/motion-user >>>>>>>>> https://motion-project.github.io/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/options/motion-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Motion-user mailing list >>>>>>>> Motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/motion-user >>>>>>>> https://motion-project.github.io/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/options/motion-user >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! 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http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > Motion-user mailing list > Motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/motion-user > https://motion-project.github.io/ > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/options/motion-user ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:52:02 -0700 From: John Byrne <jbyrne...@yahoo.com> To: Motion discussion list <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Motion-user] Slow frame rate and blurry frames Message-ID: <8e7dd557-ea0b-4c0f-b403-805a6f3dc...@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ffplay is working. I don?t need vlc. Apparently it doesn?t work very well anyway. Thank you, John Byrne > On Jul 15, 2017, at 1:59 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user > <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > I think the driver is somehow related to VLC. I know OpenGL used to be just > for 3D graphics, I?m not sure why about that in this case because there are > no 3D graphics involved with streaming a video as far as I know. I haven?t > compiled the code though so I?m not sure where the driver is needed. The > driver names are mali_drm_dri.so and libvdpau_nvidia.so > > Thanks, > John Byrne >> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:08 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >> >> And also what build base you?re using from the HardKernel website. >> Thanks. >>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:01 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>> >>> Can you tell me what the specs are on your ODROID? and maybe the version of >>> VLC you?re running. I see articles all over the place that say ODROID >>> doesn?t have a mali driver. (for OpenGL?) Even on Hardkernel people are >>> saying that there is no driver. >>> >>> John >>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 10:32 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Your video plays fine in my VLC on Ubuntu >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:11 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>> Hm?. I just tried display again and it worked. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> However, with VLC... >>>>> (Works fine on windows. ? albeit a little fast.) This was from a >>>>> previous run of the earlier version that had a slow frame rate so the >>>>> video is fast. >>>>> >>>>> With VLC I get the error: >>>>> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80) >>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use >>>>> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. >>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared >>>>> object file: No such file or directory >>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared >>>>> object file: No such file or directory >>>>> [000ba458] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor >>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found >>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast >>>>> >>>>> Here?s the avi file: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is on Ubuntu 16.04 >>>>> uname -a gives: >>>>> Linux odroid 3.10.104-184 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 20 06:38:17 UTC 2017 >>>>> armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:19 AM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use motion on multiple Odroid boards just fine. >>>>>> What issue do you have? Can you provide full log, config and sample >>>>>> files that you cannot view/play? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>>>> I used git to download and build 4.0.1 and it?s just as fast as my >>>>>>> previous version. Thank you all for the help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a caveat, now it seems I can?t use ?display? to show a jpeg image. >>>>>>> It?s just blank when trying to view it. Other jpeg viewers work though >>>>>>> mainly Eye of MATE (the image viewer that came with the Ubuntu package >>>>>>> I?m using). The one that is attached to Caja, the file manager, is >>>>>>> also working. I?m guessing the new jpeg-dev libraries changed the >>>>>>> format of the files to a newer version? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Avi?s weren?t able to be viewed on my last version anyway, but they >>>>>>> can?t be viewed by VLC video viewer. This is probably an ODROID >>>>>>> problem. I get the error: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use >>>>>>> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface. >>>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared >>>>>>> object file: No such file or directory >>>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared >>>>>>> object file: No such file or directory >>>>>>> [a8100c58] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor >>>>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found >>>>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> John Byrne >>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:03 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can I invest in this software? I?d love to be able to join a group >>>>>>>> working on software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> John Byrne >>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:59 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strong advice - upgrade to the latest 4.0.1 version >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:43 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user >>>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I moved from Ubuntu 14 to 16.04 and now my frame rate is much >>>>>>>>>> slower. The frames were always blurry but now I only get about 3 >>>>>>>>>> fps. :( >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I?m running the latest motion from the apt-get distro >>>>>>>>>> 3.2.12+git20140228. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can someone help me out? I?ve tried the exposure_auto and >>>>>>>>>> exposure_absolute with little success. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I?ve also tried changing to MJPG with the v42l_palette and it >>>>>>>>>> doesn?t work. (Only YUYV works the motion log is saying) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Help! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John Byrne >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> P.S. I?d be happy to develop this project if anyone is interested >>>>>>>>>> in directing me towards what needs to be developed. I was thinking >>>>>>>>>> about using gperf tools on motion but think I?d try this list before >>>>>>>>>> I put a lot of effort into that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Motion-user mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/motion-user >>>>>>>>>> https://motion-project.github.io/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/options/motion-user >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Motion-user mailing list >>>>>>>>> Motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/motion-user >>>>>>>>> https://motion-project.github.io/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/options/motion-user >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! 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