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   1. Re: Slow frame rate and blurry frames (John Byrne)
   2. Re: Slow frame rate and blurry frames (John Byrne)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:59:26 -0700
From: John Byrne <jbyrne...@yahoo.com>
To: Motion discussion list <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] Slow frame rate and blurry frames
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I think the driver is somehow related to VLC.  I know OpenGL used to be just 
for 3D graphics, I?m not sure why about that in this case because there are no 
3D graphics involved with streaming a video as far as I know.  I haven?t 
compiled the code though so I?m not sure where the driver is needed.  The 
driver names are mali_drm_dri.so and libvdpau_nvidia.so

Thanks,
John Byrne
> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:08 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> And also what build base you?re using from the HardKernel website.
> Thanks.
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:01 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Can you tell me what the specs are on your ODROID? and maybe the version of 
>> VLC you?re running.  I see articles all over the place that say ODROID 
>> doesn?t have a mali driver.  (for OpenGL?)  Even on Hardkernel people are 
>> saying that there is no driver.
>> 
>> John
>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 10:32 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your video plays fine in my VLC on Ubuntu
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:11 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user
>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>> Hm?. I just tried display again and it worked.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> However, with VLC...
>>>> (Works fine on windows.  ? albeit a little fast.)  This was from a 
>>>> previous run of the earlier version that had a slow frame rate so the 
>>>> video is fast.
>>>> 
>>>> With VLC I get the error:
>>>> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' 
>>>> to use vlc without interface.
>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object 
>>>> file: No such file or directory
>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object 
>>>> file: No such file or directory
>>>> [000ba458] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor
>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found
>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
>>>> 
>>>> Here?s the avi file:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This is on Ubuntu 16.04
>>>> uname -a gives:
>>>> Linux odroid 3.10.104-184 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 20 06:38:17 UTC 2017 
>>>> armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:19 AM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use motion on multiple Odroid boards just fine.
>>>>> What issue do you have? Can you provide full log, config and sample
>>>>> files that you cannot view/play?
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user
>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I used git to download and build 4.0.1 and it?s just as fast as my 
>>>>>> previous version.  Thank you all for the help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As a caveat, now it seems I can?t use ?display? to show a jpeg image.  
>>>>>> It?s just blank when trying to view it.  Other jpeg viewers work though 
>>>>>> mainly Eye of MATE (the image viewer that came with the Ubuntu package 
>>>>>> I?m using).  The one that is attached to Caja, the file manager, is also 
>>>>>> working.  I?m guessing the new jpeg-dev libraries changed the format of 
>>>>>> the files to a newer version?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Avi?s weren?t able to be viewed on my last version anyway, but they 
>>>>>> can?t be viewed by VLC video viewer.  This is probably an ODROID 
>>>>>> problem.  I get the error:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 
>>>>>> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
>>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared 
>>>>>> object file: No such file or directory
>>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared 
>>>>>> object file: No such file or directory
>>>>>> [a8100c58] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor
>>>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found
>>>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John Byrne
>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:03 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can I invest in this software?  I?d love to be able to join a group 
>>>>>>> working on software.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> John Byrne
>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:59 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Strong advice - upgrade to the latest 4.0.1 version
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:43 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user
>>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I moved from Ubuntu 14 to 16.04 and now my frame rate is much slower. 
>>>>>>>>>  The frames were always blurry but now I only get about 3 fps.  :(
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I?m running the latest motion from the apt-get distro 
>>>>>>>>> 3.2.12+git20140228.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can someone help me out?  I?ve tried the exposure_auto and 
>>>>>>>>> exposure_absolute with little success.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I?ve also tried changing to MJPG with the v42l_palette and it doesn?t 
>>>>>>>>> work.  (Only YUYV works the motion log is saying)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Help!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> John Byrne
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> P.S.  I?d be happy to develop this project if anyone is interested in 
>>>>>>>>> directing me towards what needs to be developed.  I was thinking 
>>>>>>>>> about using gperf tools on motion but think I?d try this list before 
>>>>>>>>> I put a lot of effort into that.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:52:02 -0700
From: John Byrne <jbyrne...@yahoo.com>
To: Motion discussion list <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] Slow frame rate and blurry frames
Message-ID: <8e7dd557-ea0b-4c0f-b403-805a6f3dc...@yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

ffplay is working.  I don?t need vlc.  Apparently it doesn?t work very well 
anyway.

Thank you,
John Byrne
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 1:59 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> I think the driver is somehow related to VLC.  I know OpenGL used to be just 
> for 3D graphics, I?m not sure why about that in this case because there are 
> no 3D graphics involved with streaming a video as far as I know.  I haven?t 
> compiled the code though so I?m not sure where the driver is needed.  The 
> driver names are mali_drm_dri.so and libvdpau_nvidia.so
> 
> Thanks,
> John Byrne
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:08 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>> 
>> And also what build base you?re using from the HardKernel website.
>> Thanks.
>>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:01 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you tell me what the specs are on your ODROID? and maybe the version of 
>>> VLC you?re running.  I see articles all over the place that say ODROID 
>>> doesn?t have a mali driver.  (for OpenGL?)  Even on Hardkernel people are 
>>> saying that there is no driver.
>>> 
>>> John
>>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 10:32 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Your video plays fine in my VLC on Ubuntu
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:11 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user
>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hm?. I just tried display again and it worked.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, with VLC...
>>>>> (Works fine on windows.  ? albeit a little fast.)  This was from a 
>>>>> previous run of the earlier version that had a slow frame rate so the 
>>>>> video is fast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With VLC I get the error:
>>>>> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
>>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 
>>>>> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared 
>>>>> object file: No such file or directory
>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared 
>>>>> object file: No such file or directory
>>>>> [000ba458] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor
>>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found
>>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here?s the avi file:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is on Ubuntu 16.04
>>>>> uname -a gives:
>>>>> Linux odroid 3.10.104-184 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 20 06:38:17 UTC 2017 
>>>>> armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 7:19 AM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I use motion on multiple Odroid boards just fine.
>>>>>> What issue do you have? Can you provide full log, config and sample
>>>>>> files that you cannot view/play?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 4:49 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user
>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I used git to download and build 4.0.1 and it?s just as fast as my 
>>>>>>> previous version.  Thank you all for the help.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As a caveat, now it seems I can?t use ?display? to show a jpeg image.  
>>>>>>> It?s just blank when trying to view it.  Other jpeg viewers work though 
>>>>>>> mainly Eye of MATE (the image viewer that came with the Ubuntu package 
>>>>>>> I?m using).  The one that is attached to Caja, the file manager, is 
>>>>>>> also working.  I?m guessing the new jpeg-dev libraries changed the 
>>>>>>> format of the files to a newer version?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Avi?s weren?t able to be viewed on my last version anyway, but they 
>>>>>>> can?t be viewed by VLC video viewer.  This is probably an ODROID 
>>>>>>> problem.  I get the error:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [00023918] core libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 
>>>>>>> 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
>>>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared 
>>>>>>> object file: No such file or directory
>>>>>>> Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared 
>>>>>>> object file: No such file or directory
>>>>>>> [a8100c58] xcb_xv vout display error: no available XVideo adaptor
>>>>>>> libGL error: No matching fbConfigs or visuals found
>>>>>>> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John Byrne
>>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2017, at 6:03 PM, John Byrne via Motion-user 
>>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can I invest in this software?  I?d love to be able to join a group 
>>>>>>>> working on software.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> John Byrne
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 11:59 PM, tosiara <tosi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Strong advice - upgrade to the latest 4.0.1 version
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:43 AM, John Byrne via Motion-user
>>>>>>>>> <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I moved from Ubuntu 14 to 16.04 and now my frame rate is much 
>>>>>>>>>> slower.  The frames were always blurry but now I only get about 3 
>>>>>>>>>> fps.  :(
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I?m running the latest motion from the apt-get distro 
>>>>>>>>>> 3.2.12+git20140228.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Can someone help me out?  I?ve tried the exposure_auto and 
>>>>>>>>>> exposure_absolute with little success.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I?ve also tried changing to MJPG with the v42l_palette and it 
>>>>>>>>>> doesn?t work.  (Only YUYV works the motion log is saying)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Help!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> John Byrne
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> P.S.  I?d be happy to develop this project if anyone is interested 
>>>>>>>>>> in directing me towards what needs to be developed.  I was thinking 
>>>>>>>>>> about using gperf tools on motion but think I?d try this list before 
>>>>>>>>>> I put a lot of effort into that.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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