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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Unable to launch web control and webstream since update
(Alexandre Adam)
2. Re: cheap cameras to play with (Mark)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 20:01:57 +0200
From: Alexandre Adam <rezza...@gmail.com>
To: Motion discussion list <motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] Unable to launch web control and webstream
since update
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Dear M. Dave,
It seems I don't have any MHD or libmicrohttpd on my distrib (NAS Asustor).
regards
RezzA
On Sun, 19 May 2019 at 18:21, MrDave <motionmrd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The camera connecting should not cause the message below. I suspect
> permissions or a port conflict since there only a few options that Motion
> sets for MHD and the message indicates that it can not start. You can try:
>
>
> 1. Run from command line to see whether a normal user can start the MHD
>
> 2. Run as sudo
>
> If either of the above work then it would be a question of what groups
> need to get added to the "motion" user which runs the daemon. (The other
> distros do not have permission issues so I do not know which to add
> specifically).
>
> For port conflicts, validate that Motion is not already running as a
> second instance (turn off daemon mode and reboot and validate it is not
> running when getting back in). Also, try changing the port number and/or
> ensuring that no other process is using port 6789
>
> Finally, if the above does not work, it would be a question of what
> options does MHD actually support on your distro which may be in the build
> log associated with MHD. Motion is setting the following:
>
> MHD_USE_THREAD_PER_CONNECTION, MHD_USE_POLL , MHD_USE_SELECT_INTERNALLY
>
> and MHD_USE_DUAL_STACK (for the IPV6)
>
> on 5/19/19 7:14 AM, Alexandre Adam wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> Since my update from motion 3.4 to 4.2.1, I have adapted my conf file and
> sucessfully launched motion as deamon at start-up.
>
> Nevertheless, I have this persistent errors preventing to laucnh web
> stream and web control :
>
> here is my logs :
>
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_startup: Motion 4.2.1
> Started
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_startup: Using default log
> type (ALL)
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_startup: Using log type
> (ALL) log level (NTC)
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] become_daemon: Motion going to
> daemon mode
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] become_daemon: Created process id
> file /var/run/motion/motion.pid. Process ID is 23751
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_startup: Motion running as
> daemon process
> [0:motion] [NTC] [STR] [May 19 15:03:59] webu_start_ctrl: Starting
> webcontrol on port 6789
> [0:motion] [NTC] [STR] [May 19 15:03:59] *webu_start_ctrl: Unable to
> start MHD*
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ENC] [May 19 15:03:59] ffmpeg_global_init: No ffmpeg
> functionality included
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] translate_init: Language: English
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_start_thread: Camera ID: 0
> is from /volume1/.@plugins/AppCentral/entware-ng/opt/etc/motion/motion.conf
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_start_thread: Camera ID: 0
> Camera Name: (null) Service: http:
> [0:motion] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] main: Waiting for threads to
> finish, pid: 23751
> [1:ml1] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] motion_init: Camera 0 started:
> motion detection Enabled
> [1:ml1] [NTC] [VID] [May 19 15:03:59] vid_start: Opening Netcam
> [1:ml1] [NTC] [NET] [May 19 15:03:59] netcam_start: Network Camera
> starting for camera ((null))
> [1:ml1] [NTC] [NET] [May 19 15:03:59] netcam_setup_html: connected, going
> on to read image.
> [1:ml1] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:03:59] image_ring_resize: Resizing
> pre_capture buffer to 1 items
> [1:ml1] [WRN] [NET] [May 19 15:03:59] netcam_next: called with no data in
> buffer
> [1:nc2] [NTC] [NET] [May 19 15:03:59] netcam_handler_loop: Camera handler
> thread [2] started
> [1:ml1] [NTC] [ALL] [May 19 15:04:01] image_ring_resize: Resizing
> pre_capture buffer to 3 items
>
>
> and here is my conf file concerning webcontrol and livestream :
>
> ############################################################
> # Webcontrol configuration parameters
> ############################################################
>
> # Port number used for the webcontrol.
> webcontrol_port 6789
>
> # Restrict webcontrol connections to the localhost.
> webcontrol_localhost off
>
> # Type of configuration options to allow via the webcontrol.
> webcontrol_parms 2
>
> webcontrol_interface 0
> webcontrol_ipv6 on
>
> ############################################################
> # Live stream configuration parameters
> ############################################################
>
> # The port number for the live stream.
> stream_port 0
>
> # Restrict stream connections to the localhost.
> stream_localhost off
>
>
>
>
> I have disabled livestream to isolate one problem from another.
>
> It seems my webcam (Wifi) is accessed after motion try to launch the web
> server. Could that explain that we can't have a web interface withtout a
> working cam accessed by motion ?
>
> Thnaks for your feedback
>
> regards
>
> RezzA
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 11:53:57 +1000
From: Mark <vector...@gmail.com>
To: motion-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Motion-user] cheap cameras to play with
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Hi Rob,
Appreciate the input. Perhaps its because I wasn't running IE, just
assumed web browser(firefox,chrome etc) was all that was needed. I had
the camera direct utp into the laptop, no switch/hub.
So ill have to get up 2 speed on virtual machines, wireshark and nmap.
I did consider the SD card would wear but thought if it was motion
activated it would get me out of trouble for now. I agree tho not good.
While I get up 2 speed I have another use that you might have thoughts on.
I play in a local band. We currently have a projector for images and fx.
I some times run it with VLC. What we would like(thought would be fun)
is to have a bunch of cameras around the stage and switch it thru to the
projector. (video mixers n such are wicked cost). So 6 say, cameras come
into a utp hub/switch, and "something" selects which one or what video
in the playlist, goes to the projector(which is run from the laptops vga
monitor plug). We dont have sound or lighting techs(im it and Im on
stage playing bass) so "the show",lighting etc is mostly automated via
midi/QLC+ on a linux laptop. But for now lets just get video up and
worry about how to remote switch it later..Im just wondering if I can
utilise motion somehow or if you have any other ideas? Or if the
mountain is too high :)
On 17/05/2019 2:18 am, rmbusy+mot...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> If the browser doesn't connect, then it's likely the camera isn't at
> the default IP address, or the network interface on the PC is on a
> different subnet.? I found the default / reset procedure didn't work
> for some cameras too.? The "activating" doesn't sound like something I
> had to do, but I did have some trouble with one brand that required a
> fresh Internet Explorer (I.E.) install (I used a virtual machine), and
> disabling all the security settings in I.E..? The cameras that require
> I.E. want to download a I.E. plug in, which is why I only used them
> with a virtual machine (disposable).
>
> For Linux tools, all you really need is Wireshark.? With that, you can
> monitor the interface and see what IP address the camera is at.? You
> can also use 'nmap' to scan for open ports on a camera.
>
> How did I discover the phone home?? I disassembled the firmware image
> on the cameras, looking for the URLs for streaming video and
> snapshots.? There were literally dozens of embedded IP addresses and URLs.
>
> None of the cameras I bought came with the URL information for
> streaming to Motion (or anything else).? Once I found a URL, I used
> VLC to test the streaming interfaces, and a web browser for the
> snapshot URLs.? Once I had those working, I used the same address in
> the Motion thread config file.? There are a few websites out there
> with URLs for a lot of common IP based cameras.? I would start with
> reviewing those sites, to see if your camera is listed.
>
> I would avoid using a SD card for anything.? I found that it doesn't
> take long before you "wear out" the SD cards.? For the cameras I
> didn't find a working snapshot URL, I stream low frame rates (5 frames
> / second, configured on the camera) to Motion, and let it do the
> motion detection.? I started out trying to use the CPU on the cameras
> to do the motion detection, since they all claim to support that, then
> email or FTP a image to a central Linux server.? That proved too much
> for the firmware running on the cameras (never worked).? They all say
> they can do it, but I was not able to get any of them to actually do
> it (spent a lot of time trying).
>
> Motion still has issues, but it's the best solution I've found so
> far.? I have 8 cameras setup that I check every couple of days, and
> I'm still tweaking the settings (it's been 2 years). There are a lot
> of false positives.? For example, one ill placed spider web will get
> me 15,000 snapshots in one night.? Moving tree shadows also generate a
> lot of pictures.
>
>
> --
> Rob.
>
>
> On 5/15/19 3:59 PM, Mark wrote:
>>
>> HI Rob,
>>
>> Thanks for that Ill start digging.
>> I have a number of PCs kicking about and a (ups somewhere) that I can
>> throw linux onto so thats not an issue.
>>
>> UTP everywhere even out in the garage. Ill grab some of those POE
>> adaptors, should simplify? things a little.
>>
>> I borrowed a hikvision camera last night but couldnt even get past
>> step 1 in their manual. Connect via utp to laptop, connect to
>> 12v,open browser 192.168.1.64...browser eventually gives up. Cameras
>> green net lights are flashing. I tried default reset but still
>> nothing. Perhaps its too smart. The manual mentioned something
>> further on about "activating" the camera using their software(which
>> of course is windows).
>> I think I need some linux network tools to "see" net traffic/whats
>> going on.Recommendations? something easy.
>>
>> as in how do you know "All of the cameras seem to have "phone home"
>> built in"
>>
>> I was hoping for something like...
>> A camera with SD. Mount them so its hard to access/pinch/destroy.
>> Remote view(via motion) live stream if I want a look see.
>> Otherwise circular store to its SD on motion detect(from camera and
>> or various other sensors I have about)
>> Then access the SD via utp if I decided I want to download vid.
>>
>> Ill try looking for Hisilicon (HI3518E) cams as you said the cheapy
>> ebay ones tell you very little.
>>
>> Many moons ago, long b4 all the clever gear turned up ..and my brain
>> went to mush;) I had two webcams sending still images from work. A
>> debian PC captured an image every 30sec or a PIR triggered an instant
>> burst of 10frames at 2sec. A cron job looked at the PIR log and
>> emailed me if changed. I remoted in and grabbed the images. A little
>> later I managed a, python script I think , that created an animated
>> gif of the last 40 images or so.
>>
>> Cant recall the details now ,lots changed since then, im way out of
>> IT now.
>>
>>
>> On 16/05/2019 3:08 am, rmbusy+mot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> Here is a thread I created when I first started playing with Motion,
>>> how I set everything up, and some advice on cameras :
>>> https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=5166
>>>
>>> I use POE, by using these adapters (good discounts if you buy in
>>> quantities) :
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Over-Ethernet-Passive-PoE-Adapter-Injector-Splitter-Kit-With-Cable-Black/254026766868?hash=item3b252cda14%3Ag%3AQpoAAOSw4ohcFM45&LH_BIN=1
>>>
>>> Using the POE adapters also lets you put your cameras on a common
>>> power supply (i.e. PC supply), and put them on a UPS.
>>>
>>> As for cameras, buyer beware.? All of the cameras seem to have
>>> "phone home" built in.? Definitely put them behind a firewall.? I
>>> spent around $20 each for the 2MP ones I have, and I've been very
>>> happy with them.? The cheaper 1MP cameras, not so much.
>>>
>>> After reading the above thread, if you have more questions, just ask.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rob.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/14/19 11:10 PM, Mark wrote:
>>>> HI ,
>>>>
>>>> Newbie, just installed Motion and a quick test with a very old
>>>> webcam(its all I had)-success. Thanks for the app.
>>>>
>>>> Now I want to play a bit deeper but swamped by the very many RTSP
>>>> cameras around.
>>>> Does anyone have any prior dealings with some eaby ones I can play?
>>>> with just to get my feet wet?
>>>>
>>>> At the moment just want to stream video of the backyard onto a PC
>>>> in the house. Would be nice to grab that and motion detect msg on
>>>> my android phone but I think thats a step up for just yet.
>>>>
>>>> Im hoping for now once its streaming to my PC I can ssh into it
>>>> from anywhere/other pc and view/interrogate it.
>>>>
>>>> Im just concerned about this cloud stuff which Ive read can make
>>>> the cam useless unless you buy in to their cloud, so not sure which
>>>> ones dont have all that nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> I have plenty of cat5/6 cable throughout the place and could easily
>>>> arrange POE or local power.
>>>>
>>>> wifi is a complication I can do with out for the moment but so many
>>>> of them have it now so as long as I can utp in Im fine/can ignore
>>>> the wifi?
>>>>
>>>> some I have come across:
>>>>
>>>> crazy $30 unit very basic with pan an tilt at 720p
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Wireless-CCTV-720P-WIFI-IP-Camera-Home-Security-IR-Night-Vision-Cam-P2P-RTSP-TCP/192847944244?hash=item2ce6a21a34:g:gK4AAOSw7mNcf48T
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> looks like a basic should do the job unit $33
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1080P-HD-IP-Camera-2-0MP-Network-P2P-RTSP-H-264-24-IR-Leds-IR-CUT-Night-C4W1/283466748896?hash=item41ffef53e0:g:h5cAAOSwVJVcxg1M
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2mp dome jobby 440
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Eyes-sys-H-265-1080P-IP-36IR-2MP-3MP-5MP-CCTV-HD-POE-DOME-Camera-ONVIF-RTSP-NVR/302838647079?hash=item4682970927:m:mY4jdc8grGJi1yNDoLffU5w
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5mp unit
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Waterproof-H-265-5MP-3MP-2MP-POE-CCTV-36LEDS-IP-Camera-ONVIF-BLUE-IRIS-RTSP-NVR/283300562836?hash=item41f6078794:m:mOuvLeO0iZNYj4UirR57Pcw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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