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While I respect Steve greatly, I believe he misrepresents the goal of MOU-net, yet he may represent very factually the actual usage of MOU-net. The MOU wants to function as a conduit for all bird related interests in the state and as such, we should welcome and be involved with new birders and less than avid birders. We do not strive to maintain the elitist image we are saddled with, and we aspire to reach out to birders in every way possible. The MOU-net is one way to do that. MN Bird is a great list-server and MOU-net grew directly out of it, perhaps we can grow back to being more like MN-Bird, but I still feel personally, we are better off with 2. The description of MOU-net on the web page is changed now to reflect our more general interests. I look forward to using both list-servers for a very long time. Mark Alt=20 MOU President [email protected]=20 C/O J. F. Bell Museum of Natural History=20 University of Minnesota=20 10 Church Street SE=20 Minneapolis, MN 55455-0104=20 MOU.mn.org=20 =20 ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Weston Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:57 AM To: [email protected]; MNbird Subject: [mnbird] Re: [mou] Why two lists? =20 Mou-net is for postings that would be of interest for serious birder. I post to MOU-Net sightings of unusual birds, the newsletter and meetings of MRVAC (Minnesota River Valley Audubon Chapter), and very little else. I post to MNbird any Mou-net post plus posts that might be of interest to the wider community of birders. For example I might post to MNbird the results of a frog survey and how to recognize the calls of the frogs found. These natural observations would not be welcomed and would be off topic for MOU-net. While some listers are put off by the attempts of the MOU-net to keep the focus narrow and on topic, that is the mission of the list serve. New birders should join MN-bird, which welcomes inexperienced observations and questions. The posts of those birders who choose to join only MOU-net, will be fowarded to MN-bird by monitors who watch for such posts of interest. =20 Steve Weston on Quigley Lake in Eagan=20 [email protected] =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chuck Cole <mailto:[email protected]> =20 To: MNbird <mailto:[email protected]> ; MOU <mailto:[email protected]> =20 Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: [mou] Why two lists? =20 Seems really silly to have two lists and most folks making double posts. Since the double posting seems so regular, the old political split or whatever must be quite stale by now. Is there any good reason to continue double postings? Why not rig one list to be an active standby in case the other one fails? ... or make sure every message gets copied so we only need to see them once. =20 =20 Chuck =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5308A.026DD4DE Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40";> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name=3D"PostalCode"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"Street"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"City"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"address"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D"PersonName"/> <!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Century Gothic"; panose-1:2 11 5 2 2 2 2 2 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body bgcolor=3Dwhite lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>While I respect Steve greatly, I = believe he misrepresents the goal of MOU-net, yet he may represent very factually = the actual usage of MOU-net. The MOU wants to function as a conduit for all bird = related interests in the state and as such, we should welcome and be involved = with new birders and less than avid birders. We do not strive to maintain the = elitist image we are saddled with, and we aspire to reach out to birders in = every way possible. The MOU-net is one way to do that. MN Bird is a great list-server and MOU-net grew directly out of it, perhaps we can grow = back to being more like MN-Bird, but I still feel personally, we are better off = with 2. The description of MOU-net on the web page is changed now to reflect our = more general interests. I look forward to using both list-servers for a very = long time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Century Gothic"><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Century Gothic";color:navy'>Mark Alt</span></font><font color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'> <br> MOU President<br> </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Century Gothic"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Century = Gothic";color:navy'>[email protected]</span></font><font color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy'> <br> C/O J. F. Bell Museum of Natural History <br> University of <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:State = w:st=3D"on">Minnesota</st1:State></st1:place> <br> 10 <st1:address w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street w:st=3D"on">Church Street = SE</st1:Street> <br> <st1:City w:st=3D"on">Minneapolis</st1:City>, <st1:State = w:st=3D"on">MN</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">55455-0104</st1:PostalCode></st1:address> = <br> MOU.mn.org <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter = style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 = face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa= n></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> = [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] <b><span = style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Steve = Weston</st1:PersonName><br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 24, = 2005 1:57 AM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> [email protected]; = MNbird<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [mnbird] Re: = [mou] Why two lists?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Mou-net is for postings that would be of = interest for serious birder. I post to MOU-Net sightings of unusual = birds, the newsletter and meetings of MRVAC (Minnesota River Valley Audubon = Chapter), and very little else. I post to MNbird any Mou-net post plus posts = that might be of interest to the wider community of birders. For example I = might post to MNbird the results of a frog survey and how to recognize the = calls of the frogs found. These natural observations would not = be welcomed and would be off topic for MOU-net. While some listers = are put off by the attempts of the MOU-net to keep the focus narrow and on = topic, that is the mission of the list serve. New birders should join = MN-bird, which welcomes inexperienced observations and questions. = The posts of those birders who choose to join only MOU-net, will be fowarded = to MN-bird by monitors who watch for such posts of = interest.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><st1:PersonName = w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span = style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Steve Weston</span></font></st1:PersonName> on <st1:PlaceName w:st=3D"on">Quigley</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType = w:st=3D"on">Lake</st1:PlaceType> in <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place = w:st=3D"on">Eagan</st1:place></st1:City> <br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a> = <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message = ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div style=3D'font-color:black'> <p class=3DMsoNormal = style=3D'margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span= ></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"; = title=3D"[email protected]">Chuck Cole</a> = <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span><= /font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"; = title=3D"[email protected]">MNbird</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"; = title=3D"[email protected]">MOU</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span= ></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:43 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</s= pan></font></b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [mou] Why two lists?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Seems really silly to have = two lists and most folks making double posts. Since the double posting seems = so regular, the old political split or whatever must be quite stale by = now. Is there any good reason to continue double postings? Why not rig = one list to be an active standby in case the other one fails? ... or = make sure every message gets copied so we only need to see them = once.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Chuck = </span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5308A.026DD4DE--
