Russ Abbott says:
> Or should I understand by the responses I'm getting
> that I'm the only one who has ever encountered these 
> kinds of problems?
>
Normally, I am a lurker on this list, but having our lab cited by Peter
Van Roy himself recently (as an example of using Oz in a real-world
application) has emboldened me.

I would personally like to thank Russ for the amazing stamina he has
shown during the past few weeks in fighting this battle of trying to
figure out how to make Oz more available to the masses.  In my opinion
[watching this list for several years], there has always been a
not-so-subtle, condescending attitude towards newcomers that ask newbie
questions (granted, there have been phases where some of those question
seemed to be related to "homework" problems during semester deadlines).
Personally, I don't feel that "buy and read the ~1000 page CTM document"
suffices as a catch-all answer.  

I started writing the long-term future of Oz's success off a couple of
years ago.  Progress/maintenance seems to be inadequate, if not
non-existent.  But ... maybe ... is there still possibly hope?  Can we
manage to bring new converts into the coven?  Should I *not* be awaiting
desperately the maturation of Alice [or some other technology]?
(snicker, snicker)


--
Chris  van Buskirk
Senior Research Engineer
Vanderbilt University


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