I apologize in advance for the frustrated tone of this post. 

See the bottom of my post for my list of plugins. 

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I am running Mozilla 1.1 on Win98. 

Two days ago I clicked to http://www.javahermit.org and tried to 
view a simple slideshow applet. Instead of the slideshow, the 
applet panel displayed the postage-stamp icon that is the prompt 
to get a new plugin -- it did NOT tell me what that plugin was. 
This surprised me because I am running Java, and other applets 
run just fine. 


So I went to the Netscape site and downloaded the plugin that 
Netscape said I needed. It took a hour and a half at 58K. It 
didn't say what the plugin was. It gave me no download time 
message for the file, nor did it tell me how big the plugin was.  

At the end of the process, I get a surprise "Java Web Services" 
icon on my desktop. I don't want 'surprise' icons on my 
desktop. What are these "Java Web Services" and why wasn't I 
prompted to install the 'service' anywhere else but as a plugin 
to Mozilla? 

I suppose I installed the plugin correctly. The installer said 
that I did, but here's my first question:  How do you tell with 
Mozilla?  I thought Netscape documentation was bad; but Mozilla's 
online docs are just awful. Is there any good documentation on 
the web, that can help me perform some fairly simple user-type 
troubleshooting on Mozilla for myself, so I don't have to post
these frustrated, embarrassing messages to Usenet newsgroups? 

So I run Mozilla again. I get a serious error: Something about 
dhhelp doing something very bad and being shut down, but the 
message was not helpful. Mozilla froze and crashed and had to be 
terminated from the CTL-ALT-DEL Window. 

I upgrade Mozilla to 1.1. It still happens. 

I uninstall whatever the Hell the "Java Web Services" thing is. 

I run it again. Mozilla crashes for the third time. dhhelp 
is apparently still here on my system someplace, even though 
I can't find it. 

So here's where I am:  

If I go to a website that runs an applet; Mozilla will crash. 

========= Questions ======== 

How do I turn JavaScript and Java on or off in Mozilla? There 
isn't any heading or checkbox I can find in the "Preferences" 
window, and the online documentation provides NO guidance of
any kind. Please tell me that there at least is a safe config
file somewhere that i can edit. 

How do I install a Java plugin into Mozilla? Can I install a new 
Java 1.4 plugin into Mozilla if I already have a java plug in 
installed? Does it matter? Are there conflicts? There aren't any 
notes, procedures or index entries in the online documentation. 

How do I tell if a plug-in has installed itself into Mozilla  
correctly? When I go to the "Help:Plug In info" menu entry, I get 
a list of plug-ins. Why aren't there buttons on that page that
let me easily uninstall plugins I might not want, or perhaps
search for upgrades to the plugins that display there?  

How do I uninstall a screwed-up plugin from Mozilla? There aren't 
any notes, procedures or index entries in the online 
documentation. 

How do I tell whether a plugin is the right one for Mozilla, as 
opposed to Netscape 4 or 6 or 7? The Netscape site does not seem 
to list Mozilla as a supported web browser, yet it pulls up lots
of plugins that it says are appropriate for my Mozilla browser. 
How do I know that the Netscape site isn't screwing me up big-time?
I would be able to tell these things, if I could find a list of 
plugins that work specifically with Mozilla. I can't find a list 
like that in the Mozilla documentation (where it belongs), or on the
web anywhere.  

Why isn't any of this obvious stuff documented?  I would say
that the Mozilla folks aren't ready, even for beta-user primetime 
anything without some decent documentation that answers simple 
questions like these. ... and I don't know that most users would  
want to risk their systems and spend eight hours just trying to 
run a simple Java Applet, when some reasonable documentation 
would clear up problems for them in fifteen minutes or so. 

Is there a place on the web with better Mozilla docs, notes, 
troubleshooting procedures and reference materials than the 
Mozilla site (which is useless)? 

Finally: What java plug-in support do I need to run a slideshow 
applet that might (or might not) make calls to a Java 1.2/3/4 
plug-in?  How do I install it; and how do I tell if I installed 
it correctly; and how do I fix it if it comes up broken? 


kly 

Here is my list of plugins showing 
from the 'about plugins' display:

npnul32.dll  -- Mozilla 

    NPJava11.dll
Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01 for Netscape Navigator

    NPJava12.dll
Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01 for Netscape Navigator 

    NPJava13.dll
Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01 for Netscape Navigator

    NPJava32.dll
Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01 for Netscape Navigator

    NPJPI140_01.dll
Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01 for Netscape Navigator

    NPOJI610.dll
Java Plug-in 1.4.0_01 for Netscape Navigator

    npswf32.dll
Shockwave Flash 4.0 r28

    nppdf32.dll
Netscape Navigator Plug-in for Adobe Acrobat v4.05





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