In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, DeMoN_LaG says...
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>JTK wrote:
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>> jesus X wrote:
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>>>Garth Wallace wrote:
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>>>>MPL is more restrictive than the BSD license but not so much as the GPL,
>>>>AFAICT.
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>>>To me, I consider the MPL more open than the GPL license, similar to the BSDL.
>>>Why? Despite Roblimo's article in Open Magazine, the GPL is somewhat contagious.
>>>Mainly in the aspect of never being able to make money from it.
>>>
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>> Please explain how you're not able to make money from GPLed software.
>> Red Hat somehow has stayed in business for quite a while, though you
>> claim they don't turn a profit.
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>Red Hat makes money off selling Linux CDs and Linux books, as well as
>providing tech support. You can go to their web site and download Linux
>for free. The only catch is you get no manuals, and they won't provide
>tech support. HAHAHA, why am I telling you this? You are the know all
>god of open source, you know all this already
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Yes, I do. Thanks for expounding on my very point.
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>>>Unlike RMS, I
>>>don't see selling software as a sin.
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>> As long as it isn't Microsoft doing the selling, right?
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>Microsoft can sell software to their hearts content. It's just a shame
>that I paid for an operating system and instead got a web browser
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You didn't get an OS with your web browser?
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>>>There's the idea of service being the
>>>revenue stream, but how do you get a product to support without having someone
>>>make that product?
>>>
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>> Sucker people to do it for you for free, then don't give them the same
>> rights to the software that you have. Hypothetically, of course.
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>Um, ok. Mozilla is free. Mozilla is the software people are
>developing. You make it sound like someone on the outside works on the
>instant messaging code and is then prohibited from using it. Anything
>contributed to mozilla.org is free for public use, and free to use in
>any commercial product.
Really? So I could take Maozilla, bundle it with my own Instant Messaging
utility (supporting both AOL's proprietary IM and non-proprietary,
standards-based ones), rework the email reader to read not only regular pop3 and
imap email, but also AOL email, and, oh, say MSN email, rename it "Crapzilla",
rip out the XUL thereby at least doubling it's speed, give it away (sans source
of course), and not expect AOL to be on my ass in a New York minute?
> Are you missing a few brain cells or something?
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Well, since, as you say, my lips have been stuck to Bill Gates' rectum for so
long....
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>>>Ok, so you get some capital and hire some programmers and pay
>>>they wages. But what about the small time programmer? Sure, you pay a carpenter
>>>by the hour to come fix your house, but you'd ALSO pay him for a cabinet if you
>>>buy it from him. He would never make money if he gave away the cabinets and just
>>>hoped when they broke people would pay him to fix them.
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>> Cabinets have what is known in the world of economics as "variable
>> cost". Wood costs money. Building each and every cabinet requires
>> labor, which costs money. Software doesn't have this cost. Ergo, your
>> comparison is faulty.
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>Excuse me??? Software involves no labor?
No. When you get to high school, please take "Intro to Economics for the Slow
000.1". Even they'll cover the difference between "fixed" and "variable" costs
on the first day.
Man.
> So you mean I just sit down
>and type:
>Ok computer, I want a W3C complient web browser, and all the source for
>it, hit enter and then suddenly a couple hundred million lines of code
>pop up and I get a web browser? No, not quite. It takes a very, very
>long time to write a web browser.
Fixed cost. How much does it cost to deliver each browser, Mr. Lag? That's
variable cost. The class I mentioned above will show you graphs and everything
that will hopefully make the difference clear, once you're able to absorb the
concepts.
> It's taken MS over 5 years and they
>still haven't done it right.
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Yeah yeah. It's taken Maozilla over three years and they still haven't even
gotten the design right.
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JTK
