On 14.06.02 05:11, David Simpson Replied As Follows: --- Original Message ---
> What about those developers who read these groups on their local > server. Empty threat. Threat ?? WHAT threat ?? Everytime somebody posts a suggestion that effects user's access to certain groups to better aid their successful usage of the application, someone ALWAYS comes along and considers it a THREAT !! geeze ..... > What you need is designated "developer" groups if you want end-users > to stay away from them. You should not have the word "public" in the > group name. And yes I know about the historical accident but how long > has it been and still nothing has been done. You are not very > effective as a champion are you. The "Champions" have really not had any sort of "doings" with Mozilla. We are "Netscape" Champions, not "Mozilla" Champions. However, be that as it may, we/I was requested to come over here and lend a helping hand. I don't get PAID to do this. I am a volunteer that does this in "spare" time, whatever that is ..... What are YOU doing to help out ?? >>The wish to avoid this sort of crap is why the end-user newsgroups are on a >>secure server that quite deliberately does NOT propagate to or from the >>rest of Usenet. >> > Which is exactly why the "user" groups should be fed to the outside > world. How are people going to find them if they are not fed to the > rest of usenet. Some people are behind firewalls which do not allow > connection to anything other than the local usenet feed. Others, > <newbies> dare I say it, would have no idea how to set up a secure > server feed having only stumbled onto usenet and mozilla by accident. > Others still, like myself, see no good reason to bother trying to > setup the feed. I rarely post. If I have a question or information > about a bug I will but this sort of "I'm too good for the real world" > attitude makes my blood boil. Grow up. Even my kids know better than > to take their bat and go home just because they got out. I'll sum this up very simply. The Netscape Navigator/Communicator groups on SECNEWS have been VERY successful over the years and have NOT been fed to usenet. Why fix something that isn't broke? > The mozilla developers are producing a superior product. If they want > a semi-private or private area tell the world by the name of the group > and don't include the word public in that name. But don't hide the > rest of the world away behind a secure server just because YOU don't > want to deal with them. See above >>I think this would be a bad thing to happen. It could be avoided by people >>respecting the intended purpose of the newsgroups and the rules on >>http://mozilla.org/community.html . > > Which are not and never have been mentioned on a regular basis in any > of the groups this is going to. I subscribed to this group because I > was having a problem with mail-news and I though that some here might > know how to fix it. I read the group for some time, posted my query > and received an answer. Some of the other queries piqued my interest > and I stayed to watch the answers and occasionally answer some myself > if I felt I was capable of giving a reasonable response. This is > possibly the second or third time I have seen these rules mentioned > and all of those times were only in the past week. And when we DO mention them, certain "people" get their panties all tied up in a knot, feel threatened, etc ........... > The first post I saw that mentioned that this group was only for > developers was posted in such a rude manner that I saw red and typed > up a whole pile of rude replies. I never sent them. That rudeness is > still going on. Some people never learn any manners. True on BOTH ends ..... > My solution out of this impasse is noted in this post and detailed in > a previous post as well. I believe it solves all problems in a > realistic manner and does not require the innate rudeness of telling > someone "You shouldn't be here. Go away. We are not even going to > reply in a civil manner because you are not one of us." I think most > developers are ordinary people and would be horrified by that > attitude. > And the reverse is true as well ...... -- Jay Garcia - Netscape Champion Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org ** Post To Group ONLY, do NOT email **
