On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:31:00 UTC, Michael Kaply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> opined:
> If you have codepages as 862,850 in CONFIG.SYS you can do it. > > Do CHCP 850 > Then KEYB UX. > > Note the CHCP is only valid within that window and things started from it. Very good. That probably points the way to solve another problem that has arisen with the new settings: 862,850 in the codepage statement, 972 in the country statement, HE in the keyboard statement, Namely that the entire system hangs solidly when a search (CTRL-F) is made in the IBM Works databases, from which only CTRL-ALT-DEL escapes. Presumably, this is because the database was accumulated with settings: 850,437 049 UX. Apparently I would have to "CHCP 850" before any search in IBM Works. I have to try this to see whether it is too clumsy for use, even if it works; I am not optimistic. This area of the system design seems to me antiquated, clumsy, and very limiting. It's unfortunate that it is virtually certain not to be ever brought up to date. > Mike > > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:18:23 UTC, Michael Kaply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > opined: > > > > > Yep. The KEYB command at an OS/2 Window changes the keyboard layout for the >entire OS. > > > > Nope, that is not the way to go, for a reason similar to the one that > > kept me from booting with the 049 COUNTRY statement: > > > > [C:\]keyb ux > > Code page 862 is not available for the requested country > > keyboard. Do you want to load the translation table for the default > > code page (Y/N)? > > > > Again, there is no obvious reason why keyboard selection, availability > > of codepages, and the COUNTRY statement should be related. > > > > But it begins to appear that what I wanted to do is possible only with > > a reboot to an alternate CONFIG.SYS file. Messy. > > > > > KEYB UX for the US international > > > KEYB HE for Hebrew > > > > > > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:01:57 UTC, Michael Kaply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > opined: > > > > > > > > > That's odd. It should work then. Hmm. Do you have a IBM862 file in your > > > > > LANGUAGE\CODEPAGE directory? > > > > > > > > As I said in another message, the file is indeed present. > > > > > > > > It has turned out that the class of acceptable CODEPAGEs is dependent > > > > on the COUNTRY statement, although for the life of me, I don't see why > > > > that should be so. > > > > > > > > On the chance that it might work, I changed the COUNTRY to 972, and > > > > again introduced the two changes that you suggested yesterday. It > > > > works, and I can type Hebrew into the telephone-finder web page. My > > > > world is now a more cheerful place; NOW we are having fun. Thank you, > > > > Mike, for steering me to the Alt-Shift solution. > > > > > > > > Since OS/2 v2.0, I have COUNTRY as 049 (Germany -- I wanted a European > > > > country), for various reasons that seemed sufficient and good in the > > > > says of v2.0, but which are no longer valid in the 21st century > > > > version. Again, I fail to see why a user, regardless of the COUNTRY > > > > statement, should be prevented from using any codepage that seems > > > > useful to him; it seems narrowminded. > > > > > > > > Additional question: I have long used the UX keyboard, because it > > > > makes European diacritics easy to write. Is there a way to switch > > > > keyboards without rebooting, so that I can have access to that > > > > keyboard when I want it? > > > > > > > > This problem has turned out to have nothing to do with browsers, of > > > > course, but I note in passing that there are the following differences > > > > in the way various applications react to this trick: > > > > > > > > E.EXE, Mozilla, and the two Pillarsoft editors retained the correct > > > > writing direction (right-to-left). Mozilla and Pillarsoft also moved > > > > the cursor to the right margin (when the writing field was otherwise > > > > empty), which is more aesthetic. EPM is disappointing: it writes the > > > > correct characters, but doesn't get the writing direction right (it > > > > may be that there is a macro to correct this, or maybe something to > > > > put in a recompile. DeScribe didn't react to Alt-Shift at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:28:19 UTC, Michael Kaply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > opined: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What version of OS/2? > > > > > > > > > > > > This is MCP-1 with no fixes, just as it was mailed to me by IBM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You might have a version that is from before we converged the Bidi code >with > > > > > > > the English OS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:19:47 UTC, Michael Kaply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > opined: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, you can do this. Have fun! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In config.sys, set CODEPAGE statement to CODEPAGE=862,850. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Change the KEYBOARD statement to HE instead of US. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aha! You have reminded me that I went through this some time ago; it > > > > > > > > didn't work then, and it didn't work just now when I repeated the > > > > > > > > exercise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After I changed both statements exactly as you suggest, the reboot is > > > > > > > > interrupted by the error message: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SYS1196: The parameter "862" on line 40 of the CONFIG.SYS file is not > > > > > > > > acceptable for the CODEPAGE statement. Line 40 is ignored. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The order of the code pages makes no difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are we having fun yet? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reboot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now start e.exe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Notice that Alt+Shift right and Alt+Shift left change the cursor. >This is > > > > > > > > > how you change whether or not you are typing Hebrew or English. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan Goodman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 02:30:32 UTC, Michael Kaply > > > > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> opined: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remind me again because I always forget. Are you on a Hebrew >OS/2 or > > > > > > > > > > > English OS/2? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's the US version. > > > > -- > > Stan Goodman > > Qiryat Tiv'on > > Israel > > > > Please replace "SPAM-FOILER" with "sgoodman". > > > > The Terrorist Credo: You can make friends by exploding bombs in public > > places, and the more people you kill, the better they will like you. > > > > 200 years of European fecklessness in the face of Arab terror: Tripoli > > Pirates (1814); OPEC Oil (1973); Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat > > (1990 et seq.) -- but actually financing it is a 21st-century European > > wrinkle. > -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel Please replace "SPAM-FOILER" with "sgoodman". The Terrorist Credo: You can make friends by exploding bombs in public places, and the more people you kill, the better they will like you. 200 years of European fecklessness in the face of Arab terror: Tripoli Pirates (1814); OPEC Oil (1973); Saddam Hussein and Yasser Arafat (1990 et seq.) -- but actually financing it is a 21st-century European wrinkle.
