There is a new version of audiograbber available 1.70. It does have better support for the lame dll and includes support for the vorbis dll. I was only mentioning it because of the improved support for the lame dll. I personally prefer cdex now, but I used audiograbber almost exclusively, audiograbber doesn't give me anything that cdex does, so I switched. One option that I do like in this new version is the ability to rip straight to memory. Josh -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )