Folks, this is why we have rules against personal attacks and against
holding one-on-one fights on the list. (I'm not singling Steve out because
he is only responding, but I want to nip this in the bud now and use it as a
"teachable moment").
It is certainly fair game to question the merits of someone's argument, but
not in a personal way. (Or worse, a post that is entirely personal, as was
the one that started all this.) If you must insult someone, please do it off
the list. If your post completely lacks a substantive argument, don't send
it.
The list is high-traffic enough as it is. Members tolerate a lot in their
inboxes, but they shouldn't have to wade through personal pissing matches.
You may be enchanted with your personal venom, but the rest of us are bored
by it.
Members who violate the decorum rules will be warned once, and expelled for
the next violation.
David Brauer
List manager, Minneapolis-issues
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Steve Minn
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 5:21 PM
To: Minneapolis Issues
Subject: [Mpls] Ferman on...Niziolek on.... MPEA negotiations...
Jack-
I'm having trouble remembering a time when you were not rude to me on this
list or in any other forum while I was on the Council, but I've always
appreciated the purity of your venom...I still think you are slightly
uninformed and generally given to dramatic hyperbole.
Steve Minn
Mineapolis
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> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Niziolek on MPEA negotiations...
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:07:20 -0600
> From: ferma001 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Minneapolis Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That Minn is against Niziolek for 10th ward council member is excellant
> reason to work hard for Dan's election success.
>
>>Dan Niziolek's comments on the MPEA negotiations portend a huge conflict,
>>should he be elected to the City Council. Taxpayers should be concerned
>>that biased decision-making on labor contracts would work to taxpayers
>>disadvantage.
>>
>>Having initiated the comp time battle during my tenure on the Council, I
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>>state that no single issue is more costly to taxpayers than politics
>>interfering with sound labor practices. The Minneapolis Professional
>>Employee Association (MPEA) position is patently absurd, violating the
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> y
>>definition of "exempt employee" under federal labor law. Allowing MPEA or
>>any other "exempt representational bargaining unit" to jeopardize years of
>>careful contract negotiation with other unions to eliminate the expensive
>>and illegal practice of paying salaried employees extra for overtime is
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> st
>>not sound policy. The Council, Mayor and City Coordinator have made comp
>>time elimination the number one goal of labor policy, to comply with
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> al
>>law. Niziolek, would, at a minimum, have to recuse himself from the MPEA
>>contract.
>>
>>By federal law, only hourly or "non-exempt" employees are entitled to
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> a
>>pay structure. The State of Minnesota paid a $30 million dollar fine two
>>years ago on just this issue. The concept of "salary" as opposed to
>>"hourly" work is that a professional is being paid for the work product,
>>regardless of the time it takes to complete the work. As an accounting
>>convenience, the salary is calculated on the basis of an average 40 hour
>>week, but essentially, they are being paid for the work product, not the
>>hourly work. An hourly employee has a much different set of obligations,
>>responsibilities and burden of accountability than a salaried employee, as
>>DEFINED in federal law.
>>
>>Steve Minn
>>Minneapolis
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