This was in response to the statement that pedestrians always had the right
of way in crosswalks.

A pedestrian crossing at a controlled intersection WITH a green light who
steps into the intersection before the steady DON'T WALK goes on has the
right of way.  If the pedestrian is crossing illegally against a red light,
he has no right of way even if in the crosswalk.  There is also something
that I don't have full information on, that I have seen reported in the paper,
to the effect that if a car turning right has already entered the
intersection by crossing a crosswalk, a pedestrian doesn't have right of way
to THEN step off into the crosswalk in front of the car.  Something like
"capturing the intersection".

Phil McDonald of Saint Paul helped write this set of crosswalk protections,
which have some basis upon laws in California and other states.  His wife
was struck and killed in Highland Park by a bus making a right-hand turn at
a light.  He has commented that these changes would have had no effect on
her situation since she was at a controlled intersection.  I don't 
recall the details about the accident.  He has been working on passing a
law prescribing the number of seconds that signals should give you to cross
the intersection, based on the width of the street and a walking pace of
three feet per second.  I don't think it got far this year.

Bruce Gaarder
Highland Park  Saint Paul
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Mike Atherton wrote:

> Bruce Gaarder wrote:

>> Just to make this clear, even though our Saint Paul pedestrian safety
>> demonstrations were postponed.  The pedestrian doe not always have the right
>> of way at EVERY crosswalk, just where there are not traffic-control signals.

> So...at intersections with traffic-control signals a car making a turn
> through a crosswalk has the right-of-way?
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