[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/5/2001 4:51:24 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > Schools are having problems, children of color rank behind white children,
> > and the lower on the economic indicator a child is the less resources they
> > tend to have. These are pretty much understood, I'm just not certain how
> > this is Lynnell's fault.
>
> Did I say that poverty, racism, and any of societies ills are the fault of
> Lynnell Mickelsen. No, I did not. Mr. Palmer is putting words in my mouth.
> Another lame debating team tactic.
>
> > And while you're "certain" that liberals have demanded nothing of the
> sort,
> > I know that many have...
>
> Name one. Find just one quotation. Prove me wrong. Lynnell Mickelsen
> carried to an extreme, and beyond the point of absurdity, a fairly well known
> "liberal" position that education-related outcomes are largely an effect of
> the quality of education a child receives at school. No one who does
> educational research denies that extra-school factors, such as poverty and
> racism, affect how a child does in school.
>
> < Specifically, though, when you state things like "in other words" or "the
> implication is", your stating your own interpretation however incorrect or
> correct it might be. Which is fine, but when you draw conclusions or state
> that your interpretation is what things mean definitively it becomes wrong.
>
> [and later, JP says]
>
> "But I fail to see how attacking a person's opinion on the fact that parent's
> should not be so tense about this is doing anything to help the situation.
> She didn't say don't be concerned, she said don't be overwhelmed. And she
> didn't say if you're kids don't turn out right, it's your fault as a bad
> parent, she said if you're doing the right thing don't be OVERLY anxious
> about school choice because the things that your providing for kids will help
> them thrive and survive no matter what. [snip]
>
[snip]
>
> What are the problems? 'We' are not going to come up with any solutions and
> work to implement them if we don't engage in a serious discussion about what
> the problems are. We might agree that a 50% high school dropout / pushout
> rate is a problem, but what are the underlying causes? I have participated
> in the discussion about education topics on this list quite extensively since
> I joined it about a month ago. Where have you been?
>
> -Doug Mann, Kingfield
>
> Doug Mann for School Board
> <http://educationright.tripod.com>
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