Geez, I just said it was a downside to NRP, and I think anyone has to 
acknowledge the downside as well as the upside, and that downside is 
fragmentation.  I'm sorry that little comment left a somewhat sour note, 
and I'm glad to read about other collaborative efforts, but the personal 
nature of the response was a bit much.

Yes, Project 504 now has a contract with Hawthorne Area Community 
Council to do our work exclusively in Hawthorne, and we're excited about 
a true partnership.  Yes, Project 504 is a member of Ventura Village, 
Inc., but I don't consider advocacy for tenants an agenda and I'm 
disappointed to see it called such.  By the way, our "agenda" has been 
effective:  as a result, we've been "investigated" by Ventura Village, 
banned from placing any item on a meeting agenda, and warned that any 
project that receives our support will not be considered for approval.  
As a result, folks in the community don't want to be near us or 
acknowledge that they work with us for fear that their development plans 
will not receive "neighborhood" support--it's painful to see.  That's a 
downside, and it represents the fragmentation or "fiefdom" that Grow 
mentions.  That is, a belief that the neighborhood NRP group IS the 
neighborhood and owns the neighborhood, to the detriment of those who 
disagree, particularly those who are considered outsiders (typically 
those who merely work in the neighborhood or live outside of the 
neighborhood, even if by only a few blocks).  Now--before others pipe 
in--it is an example of fragmentation, but I'm not intending to say it 
is the norm.

I mentioned fragmentation, and it occurs as well when low-income tenants 
and people of color are effectively excluded from the NRP groups, 
implicitly, explicitly, and often unintentionally.   But I think anyone 
involved in NRP politics (and I've worked in many many neighborhoods in 
the city and presented to a number of NRP groups across the city) has to 
recognize this issue as one of the biggest obstacles NRP has yet to deal 
with effectively.  Here's a challenge:  look at NRP five years from now 
and see who has been displaced by NRP-funded projects.  I'm not making a 
conclusion yet--just something to look forward to analyzing.

Gosh, wasn't this about a stadium?

Gregory Luce
North Phillips

Barbara Lickness wrote:

> 
> Greg Luce said:
> 
> "Although Grow understandably uses columnistic color
> to make the point, I think it is a good point--the
> fragmentation that results through the promotion of
> NRP and its neighborhood system.  It's the downside to
> NRP, and I'd like to see more "city-wide" thinking
> from neighborhood groups in the future.
> 
> Barb Lickness says:
> 
> "Just how many neighborhoods have either you or Doug
> Grow been involved with to make a blanket statement
> like this?  
> 
> So far Greg, I have seen you only in Ventura Village.
> And might I add with your own agenda. VV is one of
> four regions in one neighborhood in Minneapolis. I
> have never seen Doug Grow. 
> 
> I also know that you received NRP money to do work in
> Hawthorne.  Does that make you a member of the fiefdom
> you describe?
> 
> I work with over 20 different neighborhoods in
> Minneapolis. My neighborhoods cross their boundaries
> everyday to address issues that pertain to more than
> one neighborhood. 
> 
> Examples of that are: CSNAP (The group of neighborhood
> people along the Nicollet Av. corridor from Lake to 62
> crosstown), The Lake Street Revival group, the Central
> Av. group, the central neighborhood partnership, the
> neighborhoods by the lakes that produced the "Clean
> Water Cookbook", the neighborhoods that started the
> "Blue Water Commission". There are more collaborative
> efforts as well.  
> 
> The biggest collaborative effort was the one where all
> the neighborhood folks joined forces to save the NRP. 
> 
> For all the projects that NRP funds paid for in the
> "fiefdom", go to www.nrp.org for a virtual tour and
> list.
> 
> Barb Lickness
> Whittier 
> 
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>world.  Indeed,
> it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
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