The Twins and the Vikings are not "culture," and they can not be put on 
the same footing as supporting the arts.

Sports themselves can be part of our culture, but pro sports franchises 
are very expensive, very lucrative for-profit entertainment businesses.  
Supporting non-profit amateur sports, or non-profit arts organizations, 
is part of creating a rich community life.  Let's look at the arts 
equivalent -

Nobody would seriously consider giving public money to a highly-paid 
artist.  Let's say Madonna was possibly coming to Minneapolis.  Nobody 
would seriously consider raising public funds to pay for her to come.  
She is paid for by tickets and royalties from her recordings & 
paraphenalia - and she makes out like a bandit.  Or perhaps Cirque du 
Soleil is a better example, since they come to a city for several weeks 
or even months at a time.  Thought the city might spend some money for 
extra security and traffic control around their big tent, and arrange 
some special permits to have them here, the city isn't paying Cirque to 
park on the riverfront with their show.  Again, they make their money 
selling tickets, programs, & souvenirs, and they even bring their own 
venue with them when they travel.  (Honestly, if we're going to give 
money to an entertainer, let's give it to Cirque - they spend MORE time 
playing in a guest city than the Vikings do performing in their 
stadium.  The Vikings will only play in the dome some 7-8 times in a 
regular season, for crying out loud.  Cirque shows up for several weeks 
and plays at least once a day.  At least we're getting real value, 
there.)

Pro sports, as a for-profit entertainment business, can bloody well pay 
for its own stadiums.  If it can't, it needs to cut salaries and 
readjust its business model until it can.  The public paying for a 
stadium makes no more sense than the public paying for a new corporate 
headquarters building downtown.  We have to face the facts - the only 
reason that we are even considering giving these fatcats public money is 
that we, the public, were slowly suckered into catering to their whims 
over the years, ALLOWING them to put salaries through the roof while 
sitting happily on the corporate welfare dole.  Now they're coming back 
whining because they want to continue that parasitic relationship.  They 
don't care that we're cutting money right and left from our schools 
because of a deficit.  They just want their new toys, and our 
legislators are seriously thinking about giving it to them.  Hey, 
legislative folks - here's a reality check.  If you can raise funds for 
the stadium, you can dump your plans to raise them for the stadium and 
raise them for fully funding K-12 education instead.

If America is hot and bothered about "welfare reform" because it is 
concerned about all those homeless pregnant teen mothers living "high on 
the hog" (NOT!) on public money, America MUST also say NO MORE CORPORATE 
WELFARE.  Anything else is economically unsound, intellectually 
dishonest, and morally bankrupt.  It puts the good of artificially 
created entities before the good - even the very lives - of our own 
human citizens, and that is unacceptable in any civilized country.

Roxana Orrell
Central

On Wednesday, March 20, 2002, at 05:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:52:46 -0600
> From: Erik Riese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: Decisive Moment
> To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Mpls] Schiff, Rybak & Berglin on stadium
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm amazed at how emotional the stadium issue is for folks. Sports are a
> part of of our culture. Pro sports help to define us. I know that not
> everybody enthuses about the Twins, Vikings, Timberwolves, Lynx and that
> team in Saint Paul that plays hockey or the one that plays soccer
> somewhere. That's not the point. The arts are a part of our culture. Pro
> arts help to define us. Not everyone enthuses about the Minnesota
> Orchestra, the Guthrie, the Walker, Jeune Lune, Children's Theatre, the
> MIA and those museums in Saint Paul. The point is culture deserves
> yeast. We need to mow the lawns of our parks and trim the trees on our
> parkways just as much as we need to provide parking for the Walker or
> the Orpheum.
> <snip>

> --
> In cooperation,
> Erik Riese

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